The Good, The Bad and the Ugly

[Brandon494]

Ryan Grant should not be a starting running back in the NFL.

I completely agree. If I remember correctly, he got caught from behind on his 20 yard run in the 4Q by a guy with a 90-something number on his jersey. It is unacceptable to be as slow as Grant is and unable to catch the rock. He's virtually useless in our offense. We need a back who is a threat out of the backfield as a receiver considering our sieve of an OL.

I agree we need a RB with game breaking ability like Ahman Green.

[Willard]

The Good: Donald Driver continues to play with passion & pride. Congrats on the record, DD!

The Amazing (although practically meaningless, oft cited stat): If the playoffs started next week, our Green Bay Packers would be IN THE TOURNAMENT!

Glass Half Full comment: It is best not to peak too early in the season!

I'm still bullish on this team as long as a couple of the young OL dudes step up and get it done...and keep AR upright.

[rbaloha1]

my positives: Matthews, Finely and Kampman from a 4 point stance.

Yes -- its about friggin time kampy is in 4 point stance. Show explosion and no signs of slowing down.

CM is a motor with instincts.

[rbaloha1]

Ryan Grant should not be a starting running back in the NFL.

I completely agree. If I remember correctly, he got caught from behind on his 20 yard run in the 4Q by a guy with a 90-something number on his jersey. It is unacceptable to be as slow as Grant is and unable to catch the rock. He's virtually useless in our offense. We need a back who is a threat out of the backfield as a receiver considering our sieve of an OL.

I agree we need a RB with game breaking ability like Ahman Green.

RG does not look as fast as 07. Disappointed RG was caught behind on a play he should have scored.

RG is a slasher -- levens type back.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ryan Grant should not be a starting running back in the NFL.

I completely agree. If I remember correctly, he got caught from behind on his 20 yard run in the 4Q by a guy with a 90-something number on his jersey. It is unacceptable to be as slow as Grant is and unable to catch the rock. He's virtually useless in our offense. We need a back who is a threat out of the backfield as a receiver considering our sieve of an OL.

I agree we need a RB with game breaking ability like Ahman Green.

RG does not look as fast as 07. Disappointed RG was caught behind on a play he should have scored.

RG is a slasher -- levens type back.

He is a running back that would be ok if they called a hole and that was the hole to run through, but that is not the scheme is in Gb, or in the NFL. running backs need vision whether running in a ZBS or in a Power Lead game and he doesn't have the ability to make quick reads. Green Bay pulled Colledge quite a bit on Sunday and ran lead plays with Johnson as well and Grant had an extremely difficult time reading their blocks, usually cuting off the blocks the wrong way or not making the decision in the right amount of time and then being tackled by a safety after a minimal gain.

One time Colledge pulled and Grant ran right into the space Colledge vacated, not smart, the defensive end clobbered him along with backside linebacker. Who does that? I used to have 8th graders do that.


I thought the offensive line won the battle up front on running plays, Especially the interior of the line.

Barbre is in his third year as an NFL offensive linemen, he is in his 4th year playing offensive line. He is playing like a very inexperience player, which he is. I think he is athletic and talented, but if you don't have the skills as an offensive linemen, skills that take years to develop you are going to struggle with all things that are not straight ahead drive blocking.

[SkinBasket]

Grant is looking more and more like Noah Herron every game he plays in. On his long run, I think he fell down because he tried running by taking two steps in a row with his right leg. Grant was the bad. The very definition of bad.

I would nominate Jimmy John James Jones for the ugly award. On Rodgers interception, he was too cool to lower himself and down the LB who made the pick and was literally within arms reach. Instead he just stood there and looked at him. Then continued to watch as he stood up. And continued to watch as he ran away. Jennings talked to him immediately afterward, but what a lazy motherfuck. Never going to be more than a 30 rec 3rd WR with an attitude like that.

The good is still Rodgers, who despite not throwing the ball away on at least 2 of those sacks, isn't throwing the ball to the other team when no one is open. Without a checkdown who can actually catch the football (looking at you Grant and Lee), I'm guessing that isn't going to improve soon.

And Bigby didn't have a massive fuck-up either, which I guess is an improvement.

[red]

where is rodgers suppose to get rid of the ball to?

if he's in the pocket he has to find a good place to throw the ball to (one where thees a guys close, but the d is not too close). he can't just throw the ball away, thats grounding, loss of down and a penalty (even worse then a sack)

a lot of people are saying rodgers just needs to throw the ball away instead of taking the sack, but he's in the pocket when the shits getting to him. he can't just "throw it away"

[Freak Out]

I was unable to watch most the game although I did catch bits and pieces through a torrent....it sounds like I was lucky.

How in the hell did a team like Detroit keep us out of the endzone the last three quarters and how in the hell did a defense like that sack Rodgers another 4.5 times? It sounds like it was strictly the ineptitude of the Green Bay Packers......

If the pattern holds this season and we get Rodgers killed out there TT and M3 need to spend a week in the stocks in front of the Brett Favre Steakhouse.

[Waldo]

where is rodgers suppose to get rid of the ball to?

if he's in the pocket he has to find a good place to throw the ball to (one where thees a guys close, but the d is not too close). he can't just throw the ball away, thats grounding, loss of down and a penalty (even worse then a sack)

a lot of people are saying rodgers just needs to throw the ball away instead of taking the sack, but he's in the pocket when the shits getting to him. he can't just "throw it away"

Toss it over a WR's head on the sidelines. It isn't grounding.

[bobblehead]

another thing that seems to be a staple of the m3 era is too many redzone fg's and not nearly enough td's

its like mike doesn't know fg's are a bad thing. it means you failed to get a td

go back and check out last years stats. It was obscene how often we got TD's compared to FG's. I think we already have more red zone FG's this season than we did all of last year.

[bobblehead]

How many god damn field goals can you kick?


Ryan Grant should not be a starting running back in the NFL. The offensive line in the first half did a decent job at sustaining their blocks. To many times a safety is coming up and making the play before Grant gets to the second level. He is just too slow behind the line of scrimmage.

Sloppy play on offensive. If there is a way for Rodgers to get sacked, the Packers surely find them.

The good, well they beat the Lions, beat them without scoring a touchdown after the first quarter. Shut them out, good for the defense.

100% agreement. I have been anti Grant since he held out, and yesterday watching him I finally looked at my best friend and declared we need to cut him outright. Start Wynn with BJack getting some of the starting reps and all of the 3rd down reps.

[bobblehead]

where is rodgers suppose to get rid of the ball to?

if he's in the pocket he has to find a good place to throw the ball to (one where thees a guys close, but the d is not too close). he can't just throw the ball away, thats grounding, loss of down and a penalty (even worse then a sack)

a lot of people are saying rodgers just needs to throw the ball away instead of taking the sack, but he's in the pocket when the shits getting to him. he can't just "throw it away"

Toss it over a WR's head on the sidelines. It isn't grounding.

Correct. Dan Marino got sacked like once a game with NO running game his entire career because when protection broke down he knew where his sideline routes were...he would fire it 10 feet over their heads out of bounds with everything he had in that lightning release.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

where is rodgers suppose to get rid of the ball to?

if he's in the pocket he has to find a good place to throw the ball to (one where thees a guys close, but the d is not too close). he can't just throw the ball away, thats grounding, loss of down and a penalty (even worse then a sack)

a lot of people are saying rodgers just needs to throw the ball away instead of taking the sack, but he's in the pocket when the shits getting to him. he can't just "throw it away"

Toss it over a WR's head on the sidelines. It isn't grounding.

Correct. Dan Marino got sacked like once a game with NO running game his entire career because when protection broke down he knew where his sideline routes were...he would fire it 10 feet over their heads out of bounds with everything he had in that lightning release.

marino never had a line as bad as this one. Never. He would never survived if he had.

[Guiness]

Toss it over a WR's head on the sidelines. It isn't grounding.

Correct. Dan Marino got sacked like once a game with NO running game his entire career because when protection broke down he knew where his sideline routes were...he would fire it 10 feet over their heads out of bounds with everything he had in that lightning release.

I like Rodgers as well as the next guy....but it's a little early to mention him in the same breath as Marino!!!

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'm late posting on this thread, but I just got back from Wisconsin...

The GOOD: Packers won by a shutout as I predicted they would. I got to watch the entire game with family. MM played Lang when Clifton got hurt and not musical chairs. Rodgers was sharp. Finley looked like a weapon, Driver's courage and determination was evident. Special teams looked good (except for penalties). The defense got after them and were hitting hard. (Collins hit on the WR, ouch!) Clay Mathews is going to be good.

The BAD: O-line still is not impressive. Must have been a thousand penalties for illegal procedure. Play-calling was marginal. I thought McCarthy had an off day.

The UGLY: The win, despite being a shut-out. The running game. Although I'm not down on Grant. He still plays hard.

CONCLUSION: McCarthy has to stop playing musical chairs with the O-line. Let them become a unit, the run game will improve and possibly protection for Rodgers. He also has to get more flow in his play calling. When something's working, stick with it. I don't know if he still scripts the first 10 plays or so, but the offense always looks better earlier than later.