Chew on this Hawk Lovers!

[Partial]

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since.

They said all week they were going to Blitz the Lions so I would be shocked if they did not... however, where was the blitzing against the other quality opponents?.

Which point represents your current position?

My current position is we have blitzed heavily in 2 games, and played less aggressive defense than Vanilla Bob for another 3.

[Partial]

Hawk didn't make any plays last year while Bishop (albeit in limited action) was making plays.

You are remembering Bishop's preseason last year. When he got in the game last season he looked like a retard on cocaine. He made Poppinga look like a smart football player. Which is why his time on the field last season was very limited despite the cornucopia of injuries there last year.

Bishop can't even get on the field as even a pass rusher this year.

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since. I've been extremely disappointed. You cannot develop swagger when you play scared.

I don't remember the plethora of injuries at LB. Who was injured and missed significant playing time besides Barnett?

Thats because Bigby would out and Capers didn't trust his replacements to blitz as much. Since Bigby has come back you saw Capers blitz a lot more in the Lions game just as he did against the Bears. Bigby is a bigger part of his defense then some may realize, mainly because the lack of depth we have at safety.

I laughed. Then I cried. Then I laughed again. Then I puked, giggled, and cried some more. Thanks Branden420, you're a hoot.

Partial, you'll recall that Hawk struggled through two rather significant injuries and still changed positions to cover for Barnett, which in theory should have opened a vault load of opportunity for a player in Bishop's position - young, exciting, healthy, and having made an impression in the preseason - especially when Chillar kind of fucked the pooch and Poppinga struggled to do anything other than run in a straight line until he ran into someone - usually the back of a D lineman. Instead he came in, looked all jumpy and crazy, and seemed to short circuit. Bishop made some big hits two years ago in preseason. This year he looked nice against backups. But the guy obviously doesn't have the mental wiring needed yet. I really hope he figures shit out, because I like a guy who hits people, which is why I hate Barnett. And Chillar. And Poppinga. Until he figures out how to play defense, and not just run into people really hard, it looks like his opportunity will be limited.

Bishop isn't an outside linebacker. I don't believe what you're saying at all about Chill as the coaches are on record as saying he was the best linebacker last season. Poppinga is an outside LB in 4-3. They wanted to see Hawk in the middle so they moved him instead of bringing in Bishop who is not a coverage LB.

I see this system being much more in tune with Bishop's skill set. He is an excellent blitzer and a huge hitter. He is solid enough to drop into a zone and hold his arms up.

You're comparing Apples to Starfruits.

Chillar arguably played better than a twice injured Hawk out of position and a retarded Poppinga. That doesn't mean he played great. If Bishop were as awesome as some seem to think, he steps into Barnett's spot last year and allows hawk to maintain his position. Problem is, when he did see the field, he was terrible. And if Chillar was as flexible as the team thought when they signed him, he would have been the one in the middle, being blasted by linemen and fullbacks as they plunged right through our makeshift DL. But he wasn't, and he isn't strong enough for that, so he got to stay outside.

I'm not comparing apples to anything. I'm saying Bishop's had more opportunity than most ever do to make the field and he hasn't. You can make all the excuses and have all the coaching conspiracies you want, but the fact remains he hasn't been able to capitalize on those opportunities.

Hawk obviously isn't the one preventing him from seeing the field, because as you and others have pointed out, he wasn't on the field very often. Again, seems like another opportunity for Bishop to be out there if he could offer something the current starters don't.

I can agree with this. It is mind boggling to me, but we shall see.

[pbmax]

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since.

They said all week they were going to Blitz the Lions so I would be shocked if they did not... however, where was the blitzing against the other quality opponents?.

Which point represents your current position?

My current position is we have blitzed heavily in 2 games, and played less aggressive defense than Vanilla Bob for another 3.

Does your definition of blitz mean five or more rushers or do 4 in a zone blitz count?

[Partial]

That's because we don't blitz anymore. Capers went from one of the Ryan boys in week 1 to Bob Sanders 2.0 since.

They said all week they were going to Blitz the Lions so I would be shocked if they did not... however, where was the blitzing against the other quality opponents?.

Which point represents your current position?

My current position is we have blitzed heavily in 2 games, and played less aggressive defense than Vanilla Bob for another 3.

Does your definition of blitz mean five or more rushers or do 4 in a zone blitz count?

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[mmmdk]

What day is this

[bobblehead]

In fact, Moss said that if Hawk's low snap totals continue, the Packers will find a way to get Hawk on the field more, because they believe in him.

"That's obviously something we'll have to address," Moss said.



Well it kind of sounds like th coaching staff is behing the Hawk...

Is that the part that Hawk lovers are supposed to chew on? The prospect of the coaches figuring out a way to get him on the field more because they believe in him? That's very nice.

so I am supposed to disregard the complimentary part of the article but take the criticism at face value?

Yes....its called reading between the lines. The coaches are naturally going to throw him a bone for being a hard worker and such. He isn't on the field because he isn't doing the best job, but he is a great team guy, so the coaches are going to say some feel good things as well.

[bobblehead]

BTW has AJ Hawk ever made one game changing play in his career as a Packer? I really can't think of one, not trying to flame the guy but if anyone can think of one please post.

The first Chicago game last year, when Hawk made his fiirst start at Mike in place of Barnett, he was a game changer.

But I haven't seen a game like that from him since then.

He also made a one handed leaping Pick in the endzone in front of vernon davis as a rookie. And in a preseason game he looked lightning fast on a sack off the edge once. So there you have it, 3 impact plays.

the only reason he looked so good at mike in that game is because it was Chillar's first start.

[bobblehead]

Hey, don't let this affect your moral, Zig.

No, do. We need more immoral women in the world.

[bobblehead]

[quote="SkinBasket" And if Chillar was as flexible as the team thought when they signed him.[/quote]

they never thought he was almighty flexible. they signed him cuz Popp couldn't cover a TE. Against teams that utilized a good pass game TE they were starting Chillar (or giving him most of the snaps) and in games that ran it tough they were using Popp. that is why they signed him.

[MJZiggy]

Hey, don't let this affect your moral, Zig.

No, do. We need more immoral women in the world.

[POLISHHAWK]

Hawk is the best ILB we have right now... I would expell Barnett in a heartbeat... he's a puss, period.
Hawk is not the fastest, not the best blitzer, not the best coverage guy; but he is the most dependable.

Get rid of Barnett... he gets washed up worse than my dirtiest underwear in a spin cycle.

How many sacks do you see Pittsburgh's ILB's getting? Interceptions? Ya, I thought so.

Bishop, Hawk & Chillar should be our inside guys. Barnett is nothing more than a slow Strong Safety trying to play LB.

Good Bye
I love u all

[bobblehead]

Hawk is the best ILB we have right now... I would expell Barnett in a heartbeat... he's a puss, period.
Hawk is not the fastest, not the best blitzer, not the best coverage guy; but he is the most dependable.

Get rid of Barnett... he gets washed up worse than my dirtiest underwear in a spin cycle.

How many sacks do you see Pittsburgh's ILB's getting? Interceptions? Ya, I thought so.

Bishop, Hawk & Chillar should be our inside guys. Barnett is nothing more than a slow Strong Safety trying to play LB.

Good Bye
I love u all

Lamarr Woodley: has 2 sacks...had 11.5 last season. 3 pass defensed 2 last year.

James Farrior: has 1 sack and had 3.5 last season. 1 pass defensed 5 last year.

AJ Hawk: has 0 sacks...had 3 last season. 0 passes defensed, 1 last season

Barnett: has 1 sack..had 0 in 9 games last year, 0 passes defensed, 2 last year.

Hawk in 3.5 seasons has 7.5 sacks and 11 passes defensed. (chillar had 8 last season in 7 starts)

One thing I will tellyou about posters on this website. We know how to google, so when you post a questing thinking you are making a point check it out first or you may look silly. Stats don't always tell the entire story, but you brought it up so.....

[SnakeLH2006]

Hawk is the best ILB we have right now... I would expell Barnett in a heartbeat... he's a puss, period.
Hawk is not the fastest, not the best blitzer, not the best coverage guy; but he is the most dependable.

Get rid of Barnett... he gets washed up worse than my dirtiest underwear in a spin cycle.

How many sacks do you see Pittsburgh's ILB's getting? Interceptions? Ya, I thought so.

Bishop, Hawk & Chillar should be our inside guys. Barnett is nothing more than a slow Strong Safety trying to play LB.

Good Bye
I love u all

Lamarr Woodley: has 2 sacks...had 11.5 last season. 3 pass defensed 2 last year.

James Farrior: has 1 sack and had 3.5 last season. 1 pass defensed 5 last year.

AJ Hawk: has 0 sacks...had 3 last season. 0 passes defensed, 1 last season

Barnett: has 1 sack..had 0 in 9 games last year, 0 passes defensed, 2 last year.

Hawk in 3.5 seasons has 7.5 sacks and 11 passes defensed. (chillar had 8 last season in 7 starts)

One thing I will tellyou about posters on this website. We know how to google, so when you post a questing thinking you are making a point check it out first or you may look silly. Stats don't always tell the entire story, but you brought it up so.....

Yep. Pretty much. Snake likes Bobblehead, and to boot I suggest you change your Rat callsign to Common Sense Rat.

Snake for one would love for AJ to flash some of his NFL combine/collegiate playmaking/ballHawk skills....but damn. He's just an ordinary starter. Different schemes. Different attacks. Same boring ass Hawk. In fact, I feel (as the coaches must too) that Hawk (seen it without stats...my own eyes over the past few seasons) that AJ can't cover guys worth a shit in pass coverage. He get's toasted again and again by TE's and RB's out the flat. He not a great tackler (like I thought at minimum he would be) either. He hasn't demonstrated he can pass-rush at the NFL level either.

So what do you get for a guy with a HUGE NFL contract like Hawk so far?:

1) Terrible in pass coverage.
2) So-so starting caliber NFL LB tackling ability.
3) Limited pass-rush ability (based on his pass-rush thus far).
4) Huge contract for a guy who averages 10 snaps a game when healthy in the past 2 games.

Dude's a bust. I'm sorry to say it..but I hoped the new 3-4 would help him. It really made him a liability for a guy getting $6+ million a year. Sad.

[Gunakor]

He's a bust because of his salary? What if he gets extended at a lower salary after the season, is he still a bust?

Busts LOSE games for your team. While Hawk hasn't been a key contributor to many wins, he certainly hasn't lost any games. He doesn't make many big plays, but he rarely makes any big mistakes either. I can't call him a bust. Maybe a disappointment, but a solid starter nonetheless.

[SnakeLH2006]

He's a bust because of his salary? What if he gets extended at a lower salary after the season, is he still a bust?

Yep. At a lower salary, he won't be a bust...just an average LB busting his butt to suck at Special Teams and underwhelm on the field. What are you arguing? He is paid as a gamebreaker/playmaker but doesn't play even while healthy. That is a bust. But at the 3rd highest paid Packer for a guy who's playing 8-10 snaps a game over the past two games, and healthy to boot, and NEVER made ANY plays to affect games in the NFL. Yep, he sure is. What the hell is a bust then if that doesn't augment/classify/statisfy it as such. That about does it. B.U.S.T. = H.A.W.K.

Bust (my definition..but will look up some Internet searches if this does not suffice, but doubt I have to...off the top of my head):

1) High Draft status
2) Big Salary
3) Not Making Big Plays
4) No Significant Stats To Warrant Good Player Status
5) Bench Guys Outperform Said Dude
6) Healthy and Only Plays 8-10 Snaps Per Game When Healthy and No Special Teams

I don't have a Bust calculator, but if I did I'd put those variables in and a blind man could see it. B.U.S.T.