Chew on this Hawk Lovers!

[Brandon494]

Also love how some of you call him a asshole because a 21 year old southern boy didn't want to play in Green Bay.

Are you defending his actions? Maybe they should do away with the draft and just recruit like in college.

Also, why the huge man-love for Davis? Donald Lee has been just as effective over the past few years. That's right, Donald Lee has similar numbers. I know there's going to be all sorts of excuses ect..., but that just sounds like the excuses that are made for Hawk....

Man love? Just because I prefer Davis over Hawk? You want to compare Davis to Donald Lee, yet do know how many average LBs I can compare to AJ Hawk's stats?

Also how am I defending his actions? Calling someone an asshole just because they don't want to live in a certain place is ignorant. Davis never told GB not to draft him, he just said he was happy they picked Hawk over him. Also you little comment about doing away with the draft and recruiting like college teams made no sense.

[cheesner]

You can defend Hawk all you want, Davis is the better player. Now I'm not saying Davis has proven to be worth that #6 pick yet, but he has shown more pontenial than Hawk. I like Hawk and he is servicable but I would rather have Davis. Also love how some of you call him a asshole because a 21 year old southern boy didn't want to play in Green Bay.

He's a jerk because he essentially told Green Bay not to draft him. Same reason Eli Manning is a jerk for doing it to San Diego. Just show up and play for the team that drafts you. That's how it works.

He never told GB not to draft him, he just said he was happy they didn't select him.

Clearly he did not want GB to draft him. Stating that he was very happy the Pack did not take him at his welcome to SF press conference was a bit unusual. You don't think that attitude was apparent in pre-draft interviews? Whether he said 'don't draft me' in those words or not, I am sure that sentiment was conveyed.

Davis was very immature at the time and has only recently come around. He played so poorly in SF his first 2 years, imagine how he would have responded in GB, a place where he dreaded going.

My bet, is that if GB had selected him, we wouldn't have even a glimmer of hope (he is looking better now in SF) of him doing anything in the NFL. He would be considered a huge bust by everyone.

[Partial]

Vernon Davis is a douche. Glad he is not a Packer. Lee is a more complete player imo.

[Brandon494]

Vernon Davis is a douche. Glad he is not a Packer. Lee is a more complete player imo.

I'd rather have Finley over Davis, not so such about Lee.

[ThunderDan]

You can defend Hawk all you want, Davis is the better player. Now I'm not saying Davis has proven to be worth that #6 pick yet, but he has shown more pontenial than Hawk. I like Hawk and he is servicable but I would rather have Davis. Also love how some of you call him a asshole because a 21 year old southern boy didn't want to play in Green Bay.

What has Davis done?

Here are AJs stats as a Packer.

2006 119T 18th in the league in tackles
2007 105T 28th in the league in tackles
2008 86T 66th in the league in tackles
2009 31T 100th in the league in tackles

To say a "guy" hasn't produced at LB but averages over 100 tackles a year is silly. A "guy" who was in the top 30 in tackles, of the whole NFL, the two years he wasn't hurt.

[Brandon494]

You can defend Hawk all you want, Davis is the better player. Now I'm not saying Davis has proven to be worth that #6 pick yet, but he has shown more pontenial than Hawk. I like Hawk and he is servicable but I would rather have Davis. Also love how some of you call him a asshole because a 21 year old southern boy didn't want to play in Green Bay.

What has Davis done?

Here are AJs stats as a Packer.

2006 119T 18th in the league in tackles
2007 105T 28th in the league in tackles
2008 86T 66th in the league in tackles
2009 31T 100th in the league in tackles

To say a "guy" hasn't produced at LB but averages over 100 tackles a year is silly. A "guy" who was in the top 30 in tackles, of the whole NFL, the two years he wasn't hurt.

Anyone can make tackles man, I like how you left out sacks, tackle for loss, INT, pass delections, etc.

Anyway I'm done with this topic, Hawk has been a disappointment for where he was drafted and there is nothing you can say to me to prove otherwise. Unless he suddenly starts to break out in the new 3-4 scheme you won't be seeing him in GB next season unless he takes a paycut.

[rbaloha1]

It may safe to say Davis has more upside than Hawk.

However maybe the light went on for Hawk.

[ThunderDan]

Anyone can make tackles man, I like how you left out sacks, tackle for loss, INT, pass delections, etc.

If it is so easy to make tackles, how come, on average, only 38 players a year over the last 3 years made a 100 tackles or more in a season?

[sharpe1027]

Man love? Just because I prefer Davis over Hawk? You want to compare Davis to Donald Lee, yet do know how many average LBs I can compare to AJ Hawk's stats?

Also how am I defending his actions? Calling someone an asshole just because they don't want to live in a certain place is ignorant. Davis never told GB not to draft him, he just said he was happy they picked Hawk over him. Also you little comment about doing away with the draft and recruiting like college teams made no sense.

Forget the man-love comment then, it seems we both agree that both Davis and AJ have been pretty average so far.

Davis didn't go public with his displeasure until after the draft, I'll give him that and he is one up on Manning for that reason. I didn't hear Davis say he was happy he didn't go to the other teams that passed him up. Singling out a specific team for whatever reason is a stupid move. Forgive me for actually giving a damn about how people perceive/portray the Wisconsin to the national media. How ignorant of me.

What exactly qualifies my opinion as ignorant? It doesn't agree with your opinion? I guess I'm happily ignorant.

The point about recruiting makes sense if you take a second and think about it. If players start selecting which team they prefer or will not play for, then what's the point of the draft? Maybe Davis didn't privately express his displeasure to the Packers before the draft, but the fact that he had no qualms telling the whole world about it makes it at least plausible.

I can understand being underwhelmed with the AJ pick, but the production of Davis doesn't seem to be a strong argument for or against the pick.

[Brandon494]

Anyone can make tackles man, I like how you left out sacks, tackle for loss, INT, pass delections, etc.

If it is so easy to make tackles, how come, on average, only 38 players a year over the last 3 years made a 100 tackles or more in a season?

Never said it was easy, just said anyone can make tackles. Keep hyping Hawk up, its never going to make him a pro bowl player.

[ThunderDan]

Anyone can make tackles man, I like how you left out sacks, tackle for loss, INT, pass delections, etc.

If it is so easy to make tackles, how come, on average, only 38 players a year over the last 3 years made a 100 tackles or more in a season?

Never said it was easy, just said anyone can make tackles. Keep hyping Hawk up, its never going to make him a pro bowl player.

When did I ever say he was a ProBowl quality player? He makes a lot of tackles and is assignment sure. He isn't the impact player you want at 5 but he's under contract and plays well.

[get louder at lambeau]

I hope you Hawk lovers are still chewing.

[Partial]

Anyone can make tackles man, I like how you left out sacks, tackle for loss, INT, pass delections, etc.

If it is so easy to make tackles, how come, on average, only 38 players a year over the last 3 years made a 100 tackles or more in a season?

This is the most meaningless stat ever. Show me game changing plays, not tackles that could be 5-10 yards down field.

[sharpe1027]

This is the most meaningless stat ever.

No it is not. It is a statistic that can be misleading, just as any statistic out there can be. It is far, far, far from meaningless. It just doesn't agree with your current position.

[pbmax]

Anyone can make tackles man, I like how you left out sacks, tackle for loss, INT, pass delections, etc.

If it is so easy to make tackles, how come, on average, only 38 players a year over the last 3 years made a 100 tackles or more in a season?

This is the most meaningless stat ever. Show me game changing plays, not tackles that could be 5-10 yards down field.

Not that easy. Total number of tackles does mean something for linebackers, its a bad sign for safeties, but linebackers need to make tackles. Whether its for a loss or not, the tackle must be made.

In fact, this information casts some doubt on the major theme of Hawk's demise (outside of coverage ability vis a vis Chillar). If he was so poor at shedding blocks, he wouldn't have been making this number of tackles.