Seriously WTF?

[Chevelle2]

It is absolute insanity that every thread on this board turns into a Packers vs Favre debate. I just don't get it. He's gone. Let him go.

It's really not that surprising to me.

The one thing we as Packer fans should have in common is a desire to have the Packers win every week, see our rivals struggle, and go on from there.

I don't think that common ground exists anymore.

Just my opinion

Why does being a Packer fan mean you want other teams to do poorly? Me, I want everyone to do well. I don't understand your logic.

Serious question - why are you on this board?

[mraynrand]

Dude, that's just not true. Why does being a Packer fan mean you want other teams to do poorly? Me, I want everyone to do well. I don't understand your logic.

I think he means that the Packers doing well usually starts with the making the playoffs, then to winning the division, then to the NFC championship and finally with the Superbowl. Thus, the Packer's success is inversely proportional to how well other teams in the NFC do as well as how well other teams in the North do.

BINGO

You have packer fans excited about the Vikings start. You have packer fans on the fence about who they want to win this week, or even not minding if they lose. That is what I mean. The Packers losing this week would put them the equivalent of 3 games behind the Vikings. I cannot fathom how anyone could be happy with the Vikings playing well, or winning this weekend, as that directly hurts the Packers. That is just how I feel though.

It's obviously everyone's decision as to how they feel about the situation. But there are a lot of people here who can sniff out BS, and it's not hard to separate those who would be crushed over a Packer loss from those who would be OK with a Viking win.

Like I said earlier, that common ground has been eroded a little bit.

It's not just Packerrats either. This chick behind me at the Cleveland game was wearing a Favre jersey, sitting there with her dorky brother and some really, really loud bald guy. She kept saying "Next week I'm wearing purple. I'm wearing purple and I hope Favre wins." The loud bald guy gets tired of it and yells at the top of his voice, "Shut the fuck up about Favre willya!"

[sharpe1027]

Take away all the online personalities and start over? No thanks, I could get that by moving on to a new board.

Those that want anonymity are likely hiding from their own mistakes...

[Smidgeon]

Okay, but I'm not going to be the one in the dress.

I'll take your request into consideration; there are no guarantees though. How are you at skipping in heels?

I've never tried, so I'm going to assume that I'd fall down a lot.

[Deputy Nutz]

Dude, that's just not true. Why does being a Packer fan mean you want other teams to do poorly? Me, I want everyone to do well. I don't understand your logic.

I think he means that the Packers doing well usually starts with the making the playoffs, then to winning the division, then to the NFC championship and finally with the Superbowl. Thus, the Packer's success is inversely proportional to how well other teams in the NFC do as well as how well other teams in the North do.

BINGO

You have packer fans excited about the Vikings start. You have packer fans on the fence about who they want to win this week, or even not minding if they lose. That is what I mean. The Packers losing this week would put them the equivalent of 3 games behind the Vikings. I cannot fathom how anyone could be happy with the Vikings playing well, or winning this weekend, as that directly hurts the Packers. That is just how I feel though.

It's obviously everyone's decision as to how they feel about the situation. But there are a lot of people here who can sniff out BS, and it's not hard to separate those who would be crushed over a Packer loss from those who would be OK with a Viking win.

Like I said earlier, that common ground has been eroded a little bit.

Maybe its just me, but I took something else away from Nutz's point than some others. He wasn't trying to respond to the criticism leveled at certain posters. He wasn't defending a group or decrying being put in a group. He was trying to point out that calling people out over petty things like WHY you are a fan (or WHY you dislike a player) simply causes arguments and hard feelings. Its a child's blame game.

There is no point to it other than to start a fight or make yourself feel more righteous. Being a fan is an irrational act in many ways, and shouldn't need to be explained nor defended. And it should go without saying that blaming problems on certain kinds of fans is equally ludicrous. No one takes a fan test to post here. You're accepted here to talk about Packers football (or at least football in general).

Questioning the validity of certain fans should simply stop, as should pointing out the logical flaws of their belief. Or supposed hatred of your favorite player. Despite what posters think, these posts aren't clever and don't win the argument. None of this makes sense or helps.

To give a concrete example, we have a poster who is still in a certain player's corner. Many disagree with this position. Now he may be right, he may be wrong, or he might be just a fan. But that poster knows more about football than 98% of the rest of us (myself included). He could believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care; I want to read his posts and damn anyone who wants to insult, drown out or condemn his posts.

[Bossman641]

Dude, that's just not true. Why does being a Packer fan mean you want other teams to do poorly? Me, I want everyone to do well. I don't understand your logic.

I think he means that the Packers doing well usually starts with the making the playoffs, then to winning the division, then to the NFC championship and finally with the Superbowl. Thus, the Packer's success is inversely proportional to how well other teams in the NFC do as well as how well other teams in the North do.

BINGO

You have packer fans excited about the Vikings start. You have packer fans on the fence about who they want to win this week, or even not minding if they lose. That is what I mean. The Packers losing this week would put them the equivalent of 3 games behind the Vikings. I cannot fathom how anyone could be happy with the Vikings playing well, or winning this weekend, as that directly hurts the Packers. That is just how I feel though.

It's obviously everyone's decision as to how they feel about the situation. But there are a lot of people here who can sniff out BS, and it's not hard to separate those who would be crushed over a Packer loss from those who would be OK with a Viking win.

Like I said earlier, that common ground has been eroded a little bit.

Maybe its just me, but I took something else away from Nutz's point than some others. He wasn't trying to respond to the criticism leveled at certain posters. He wasn't defending a group or decrying being put in a group. He was trying to point out that calling people out over petty things like WHY you are a fan (or WHY you dislike a player) simply causes arguments and hard feelings. Its a child's blame game.

There is no point to it other than to start a fight or make yourself feel more righteous. Being a fan is an irrational act in many ways, and shouldn't need to be explained nor defended. And it should go without saying that blaming problems on certain kinds of fans is equally ludicrous. No one takes a fan test to post here. You're accepted here to talk about Packers football (or at least football in general).

Questioning the validity of certain fans should simply stop, as should pointing out the logical flaws of their belief. Or supposed hatred of your favorite player. Despite what posters think, these posts aren't clever and don't win the argument. None of this makes sense or helps.

To give a concrete example, we have a poster who is still in a certain player's corner. Many disagree with this position. Now he may be right, he may be wrong, or he might be just a fan. But that poster knows more about football than 98% of the rest of us (myself included). He could believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care; I want to read his posts and damn anyone who wants to insult, drown out or condemn his posts.

I'm not sure what you are getting at. Do you disagree with me that the fans I described exist? It's not just here, it's at JSO or Packersnews when I read the blog comments. That is my belief as to why things are the way they are. Notice I didn't say to run them out of the forum or chase after them with pitchforks. To stick your head in the sand and pretend this isn't the case is unreasonable.

I disagree with your position 100%, but I respect you for coming out explaining how and why you feel the way you do.

[sharpe1027]

Okay, but I'm not going to be the one in the dress.

I'll take your request into consideration; there are no guarantees though. How are you at skipping in heels?

I've never tried, so I'm going to assume that I'd fall down a lot.

At the risk of being politically incorrect, I expected more heel-wearing experience from someone in San Fran. :P We'll just have to get you a nice pair of flats.

[Deputy Nutz]

Dude, that's just not true. Why does being a Packer fan mean you want other teams to do poorly? Me, I want everyone to do well. I don't understand your logic.

I think he means that the Packers doing well usually starts with the making the playoffs, then to winning the division, then to the NFC championship and finally with the Superbowl. Thus, the Packer's success is inversely proportional to how well other teams in the NFC do as well as how well other teams in the North do.

BINGO

You have packer fans excited about the Vikings start. You have packer fans on the fence about who they want to win this week, or even not minding if they lose. That is what I mean. The Packers losing this week would put them the equivalent of 3 games behind the Vikings. I cannot fathom how anyone could be happy with the Vikings playing well, or winning this weekend, as that directly hurts the Packers. That is just how I feel though.

It's obviously everyone's decision as to how they feel about the situation. But there are a lot of people here who can sniff out BS, and it's not hard to separate those who would be crushed over a Packer loss from those who would be OK with a Viking win.

Like I said earlier, that common ground has been eroded a little bit.

Maybe its just me, but I took something else away from Nutz's point than some others. He wasn't trying to respond to the criticism leveled at certain posters. He wasn't defending a group or decrying being put in a group. He was trying to point out that calling people out over petty things like WHY you are a fan (or WHY you dislike a player) simply causes arguments and hard feelings. Its a child's blame game.

There is no point to it other than to start a fight or make yourself feel more righteous. Being a fan is an irrational act in many ways, and shouldn't need to be explained nor defended. And it should go without saying that blaming problems on certain kinds of fans is equally ludicrous. No one takes a fan test to post here. You're accepted here to talk about Packers football (or at least football in general).

Questioning the validity of certain fans should simply stop, as should pointing out the logical flaws of their belief. Or supposed hatred of your favorite player. Despite what posters think, these posts aren't clever and don't win the argument. None of this makes sense or helps.

To give a concrete example, we have a poster who is still in a certain player's corner. Many disagree with this position. Now he may be right, he may be wrong, or he might be just a fan. But that poster knows more about football than 98% of the rest of us (myself included). He could believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care; I want to read his posts and damn anyone who wants to insult, drown out or condemn his posts.

I'm not sure what you are getting at. Do you disagree with me that the fans I described exist? It's not just here, it's at JSO or Packersnews when I read the blog comments. That is my belief as to why things are the way they are. Notice I didn't say to run them out of the forum or chase after them with pitchforks. To stick your head in the sand and pretend this isn't the case is unreasonable.

I disagree with your position 100%, but I respect you for coming out explaining how and why you feel the way you do.

I guess my point is simple, who gives a fuck if someone is this kinda of fan or that kind of fan, if they support good discussion it really shouldn't matter. Some want to be the judge and jury about what type of fans should be allowed here.

I have been told at least a half a dozen times to go find a vikings forum even though I have been here longer than 99% of all registered users.

[Smidgeon]

Okay, but I'm not going to be the one in the dress.

I'll take your request into consideration; there are no guarantees though. How are you at skipping in heels?

I've never tried, so I'm going to assume that I'd fall down a lot.

At the risk of being politically incorrect, I expected more heel-wearing experience from someone in San Fran. :P We'll just have to get you a nice pair of flats.

Zing!

[MichiganPackerFan]

Okay, but I'm not going to be the one in the dress.

I'll take your request into consideration; there are no guarantees though. How are you at skipping in heels?

I've never tried, so I'm going to assume that I'd fall down a lot.

At the risk of being politically incorrect, I expected more heel-wearing experience from someone in San Fran. :P We'll just have to get you a nice pair of flats.

Sadly, I have this sick feeling that that role will be excitedly and humorously filled by Skin...

[Partial]

It is absolute insanity that every thread on this board turns into a Packers vs Favre debate. I just don't get it. He's gone. Let him go.

It's really not that surprising to me.

The one thing we as Packer fans should have in common is a desire to have the Packers win every week, see our rivals struggle, and go on from there.

I don't think that common ground exists anymore.

Just my opinion

Why does being a Packer fan mean you want other teams to do poorly? Me, I want everyone to do well. I don't understand your logic.

Serious question - why are you on this board?

A wide variety of reasons, why?

[MichiganPackerFan]

Okay, but I'm not going to be the one in the dress.

I'll take your request into consideration; there are no guarantees though. How are you at skipping in heels?

I've never tried, so I'm going to assume that I'd fall down a lot.

At the risk of being politically incorrect, I expected more heel-wearing experience from someone in San Fran. :P We'll just have to get you a nice pair of flats.

Sadly, I have this sick feeling that that role will be excitedly and humorously filled by Skin...

Another thought, I hope Retail joins up to IF and ONLY IF he looks exactly like his avatar

[Bossman641]

I don't visit other packer sites, so I have a question for those of you who do.

What do they do about the whole Favre situation? Separate rooms? Heavily moderated?

I have to believe the arguments here go on elsewhere as well.

[Scott Campbell]

Okay, but I'm not going to be the one in the dress.

I'll take your request into consideration; there are no guarantees though. How are you at skipping in heels?

I've never tried, so I'm going to assume that I'd fall down a lot.

At the risk of being politically incorrect, I expected more heel-wearing experience from someone in San Fran. :P We'll just have to get you a nice pair of flats.

Sadly, I have this sick feeling that that role will be excitedly and humorously filled by Skin...

.......or Brad Childress.

[mraynrand]

It is absolute insanity that every thread on this board turns into a Packers vs Favre debate. I just don't get it. He's gone. Let him go.

It's really not that surprising to me.

The one thing we as Packer fans should have in common is a desire to have the Packers win every week, see our rivals struggle, and go on from there.

I don't think that common ground exists anymore.

Just my opinion

Why does being a Packer fan mean you want other teams to do poorly? Me, I want everyone to do well. I don't understand your logic.

Serious question - why are you on this board?

A wide variety of reasons, why?

Partial, you did see him explicitly write 'our rivals' didn't you? I want our rivals to play poorly. I want the Packers to win the Superbowl, and since they aren't the best team in the NFL, that's going to require other teams playing worse - or the Packers playing better than their talent level - at least head to head with other teams. I want the Packers to beat the Vikings soundly every time they play. I think that requires beating the living crap out of a QB I liked to watch for 17 years. I hope the Packers get that done - and yes, that the Vikings - the Packers' hated rival - plays poorly.