Seriously WTF?

[mmmdk]

It's Viking week but that doesn't matter; that's an excellent window to what is going on.

I hope [bleak hope] that Packer fans do show their team where the support is on sunday vs Vikings. If PR represents the state of all Packer fans then the homefield advantage is muted.

But hey, if you don't like the "two party system" of Packers vs Favre the Viking, then YOU need to change. Us vs them / Packers vs Vikings. Just for this game on sunday at least.

I know the rhetoric is as goofy as the wordy W. but this is Viking week and it can't screw up the world.

PS - Read the LeRoy Butler article. I agree with Butler.

[mission]

Funny to see who the biggest complainers ... errr, contributors in this thread are ...

Not Zool but onward ...

People definitely have an agenda and will go to great lengths to push it. Maybe I would more if I had more time to contribute my anti-Bert agenda but alas, I just don't...

That said, have you tried reading JSO, PackerNews comments, Packerchatters, etc?

I can't stand those places. You guys; at least it feels like bar argument.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Great. We know how to bitch about it. So what are we gonna DO about it? (cause if we don't do something, we're gonna completely kill this forum.)

It's easy: it's perfectly ok to disagree. It's perfectly ok to be passionate. It's perfectly ok to be opinionated. The key is to include respect when you make a post. No need to make it personally attacking when you disagree. Respectfully (and humorously) present your ideas and things go a lot better. I try to adapt my humor to whom it is intended. Some people appreciate more bite than others. Either way courtesy goes a long way in life.

[Scott Campbell]

www.packerchatters.com
www.p@ckeraddict.com




I just realized paranoid Madtown made it so you couldn't type www.p@ckeraddict.com.

Fuck you. That is because those fucks felt it was their right to tag this place up with that shit. See unlike your bandwagon jumping ass I only gave a fuck and still do in some ways about this forum alone. You on the other hand do nothing that is positive for it any more. You put those shit links up just as easily as you talked shit about this place on the new jso. For that alone you should get whacked.

You are nothing but a fucking bitch IMO. Yes you will come quick with a snappy comeback. So fucking what, the truth is you dont really give a fuck about this place. If you had any loyalty you would take that shit down.

I got a 6 fuck response. Top that Skinbasket!

[SkinBasket]

I got a 6 fuck response. Top that Skinbasket!

But not one of those mexican words. He must be getting soft. Maybe he joined Zool's bitty circle and found the answers he's been looking for.

[sharpe1027]

Despite my lightening rod status... I do agree

No, you aren't a lightning rod. That's like blaming ballast for a balloon not rising. You serve to keep the rest of us kool-aid chuggers tethered to the potential reality that the Packers will not win the Super Bowl every year.

Lies!!!!

[pbmax]

One rule I used to use was to avoid posting a direct response to another poster if I was going to challenge the point. I would assiduously avoid the poster's name and the pronoun 'you'. If I was going to contradict, I addressed the post to the general position, not the poster.

If I was attempting to be humorous, I wouldn't be so careful. It might not be a bad tactic to resume.

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One rule I used to use was to avoid posting a direct response to another poster if I was going to challenge the point. I would assiduously avoid the poster's name and the pronoun 'you'. If I was going to contradict, I addressed the post to the general position, not the poster.

If I was attempting to be humorous, I wouldn't be so careful. It might not be a bad tactic to resume.

You are wise. Like a banshee.

[sheepshead]

I would <3 it if everyone had their name wiped and had to change it to something else.

you would less than 3? what the hell is that?

[Administrator]

Interesting thread.

Rastak, if you're looking for me to solve what ails this forum, we're screwed. I can control a few folks, and ban a few, but I can't fix the discussion.

All of you have to do that. It's a choice you make each time you put your fingers on the keyboard. Am I going on the attack, or am I not? Is there something I can learn from reading this forum, or is my job to 'preach to the masses'? Is my point so critical that I'll defend it to the death, or does someone else have something to say that I hadn't thought of before?

I don't think this forum is 'dying' as much as it is changing. In the last couple of weeks, some folks are silently staging a protest of sorts. They aren't posting, but most are still reading. They haven't left, yet.

We'll see if they do. Time will tell. Right now, there are hoards and hoards of "guests" on this forum. I came on at 11:00 last night and there were 15 guests reading the forum. At 11PM. We've got plenty of traffic in spite of the claims that I'm not marketing enough. (which is true).

So, to the faithful posters here that see the forum "dying", I ask a question. Why are those guests not signing up and giving us their opinions, insight, and thoughts? I ask that both retorically and expecting responses.

To the guests that read this forum and have never signed up for an account. I'd love to hear why. Send me an email at administrator@packerrats.com. I'll keep it private if you wish, or I'll publish your thoughts if that's ok with you. If I get enough responses that allow me to share thoughts, I'll sticky them to the top of the forum so everyone can read what you think.

Long time posters? Lurkers? Like to hear what you think too.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ok, well I have finally come to the conclussion that Madtown is still a cocksucker, but he did a decent job with this place. He kept a recognizable voice in the world of the Packer Internet Forum discussion. People from other forums were actually stealing our shit.

A lot of things happed over the course of the past year, things people refused to let go and it really broke this place apart. Namely Favre, people that could agree on 90% of the stuff football related are now bitter enemies. Did Mad and his mods handle it correctly? Hard to say, I certainly wouldn't shove the entire blame pie at their feet. We wanted freedom to voice our opinions and argue with who ever we wanted, name call, and verbally abuse who ever, and when ever. I think Mad tried to stick to his rule, of no private info, but in the long run our own bullshit sufocated use.

This place used to be the best, maybe not the biggest but new additions always came here after having issues with JSO, and other places. Now we are losing posters to those places because we have become what we hated.

I always thought of this place as a waste of time, but addicting, now it is just boring, and I am not talking boring because I can't see a picture of two lesbos kissing in the romper room, I am talking boring because I just can't bring myself to discuss the same news and info with the same 15 people every day.

I used to write articles to promote this place and I always got good reviews, mostly. This place was going to be something, now you gotta know how to even find this place.

We once had bumber stickers.

[bobblehead]

I miss the sense of camaraderie. That people could play with one another a bit. There was a good naturedness that led to fantastic discussion that's missing. I used to come here every day and find stuff to laugh about and learn stuff too. When we switched to the 3-4, I figured I'd know it inside out by the time the season started, but I barely know anything about it. Everyone's too busy fighting to discuss it. Isn't good posting just a little common sense? Does common sense still exist?

I think PB (or KY maybe) had a great thread on the 3-4 when Dom was hired. I learned a lot from it. The info is there, and stifling discussion isn't going to help anyway. I think people need to ignore certain posters if they are bothered, or don't be bothered and bash them accordingly.

[SkinBasket]

So, to the faithful posters here that see the forum "dying", I ask a question. Why are those guests not signing up and giving us their opinions, insight, and thoughts? I ask that both retorically and expecting responses.

Don't forget that a portion - I have no idea how many - of those "guests" are just us when we're too lazy to sign in. When I just want to check the packer section, I don't sign in.

As far as not signing up, and for that matter, regulars not posting, I offer the AJ Hawk lovers thread as an example of why I don't post much in the Packer forum. There is a discussion to be had about his play versus his draft status and/or paycheck and his playing time. But the thread started in an asshole manner with the title, and has generally stayed the course from there - in large part due to one poster. People argue this poster's point and get a jerk-off emoticon in response followed by more baiting that's mainly someone using specific stats to back their personal opinion and ignoring any argument made against it. It's the kind of shit that gets responses because people get a little annoyed or riled up at the disingenuous nature of the posts, but it's not a healthy discussion of the points that are there to be argued. I don't think there's even a problem with insults being tossed around - as long as the discussions are being argued with some kind of intellectual honesty. That isn't happening a lot.

Intelligent contributions in a lot of threads are regularly disregarded, mocked, and insulted in unclever ways that don't even advance the argument. Why post anything substantive when all you're going to get back is a smiley face wanking off? As an aside, you could probably stand to get rid of that emoticon.

It goes back to what you say about personal accountability I guess. If that guy wants to be an asshole about something without really breaking any "rules," I guess we can't stop him. All we can do is not respond. Unfortunately, a lot of us aren't good at that.

[bobblehead]

- Outlaw all political posts, pornographic discussion/photos (even in garbage can). Politics never lead to a friendly environment.

we already took it out of the romper room and put it in the FYI...seriously, don't fucking go in there. If you take away the FYI I'll leave for another site, politics is my main "hobby" other than football. I guess if I'm one you want to get rid of thats fine, but I would say by and large those of us who post in there don't let our feelings spill over to other forums.

I understand that Red and a few others despise politics so much that they wish them silenced, but seriously, the FYI is almost like another site entirely, why the need to eliminate it?

[rdanomly]

I don't think this forum is 'dying' as much as it is changing. In the last couple of weeks, some folks are silently staging a protest of sorts. They aren't posting, but most are still reading. They haven't left, yet.

We'll see if they do. Time will tell. Right now, there are hoards and hoards of "guests" on this forum. I came on at 11:00 last night and there were 15 guests reading the forum. At 11PM. We've got plenty of traffic in spite of the claims that I'm not marketing enough. (which is true).

So, to the faithful posters here that see the forum "dying", I ask a question. Why are those guests not signing up and giving us their opinions, insight, and thoughts? I ask that both retorically and expecting responses.

As a non-contributing lurker, I can't complain. Living out of Wisco & not dropping extra money for Dish packages I come here for first hand knowledge of what is going on with the team.

I wish I could watch every game & have something to say, but I can't so I rely on the better posters here for their insights. So thanks to those of you watching & thinking. I don't know what other sites are like now, but this environment is better than JSO at the time of the exodus.

With Favre playing somewhere else, at least I'll be able to watch the Pack play again this weekend.