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  • #61
    Two things make this a less attractive forum:

    1) Flame wars - Sure the Favre situation completely contributed to this, but in general, it is the nature of the wars and the personalities who perpetuate them. In general, they shouldn't kill a site, so long as they don't infect too many threads. A little discipline might help - if you refute someone with facts, do it and be done with it. Don't add personal insults - they guarantee a response along the same lines. make your argument and get out - if you respond, try to stick to the subject and not evaluate the poster's relative mental abilities, etc. (in other words, avoid the personal attacks). This is why I left. I didn't enjoy the constant, repetitive, redundant personal attacks all over the forum, especially as I found myself making them/getting involved in them more often.

    2) Content and acknowledgement of content providers. Patler, Waldo, etc. etc. actually provide interesting content that stands on it's own. I suspect, that with a front page with links to 'Patler's blog' (You can use my searchlight pic if you want), a column by Waldo (and an open link to his personal blog), Analysis by Nutz, guest columns, artwork by Skin (no porn), perhaps an tangentially off-topic column by Harlan or someone else, and maybe even a gameday chat with Cleft Crusty ON A LINKABLE front page you will change the appearance of the forum and make it more inviting and interesting. People who contribute content should get some kudos on a front page - and it will help make a name and personality for the forum. They heyday of the forum was when Mad and Zig were actively maintaining and updating the front page. Even when people started in the forum, a lot of things linked to the front page and you had people generating new content that was above the level of a thread titled "Donald Driver." The site needs to be actively maintained and the admin needs to actively pursue a growth strategy. I thank Mad (and others) for forming and maintaining the site. It's been a good source of info and fun and devastating distraction from my work. I hope the content people come back/are recruited back. I am still addicted to this site and haven't yet begun a 12 step program to quit viewing. But it's getting tempting.



    BTW, I don't think Romper Room and FYI hurt the forum at all. In FYI, it was pretty much a small and consistent back and forth between a pretty well defined group that constituted a small percentage of the members (advice: if you hate political discussion, or it gets you riled up, stay out of FYI). Romper room was mostly respectful and often could be pretty funny - and informative. But again, you need the people to contribute, and they won't contribute in there if they hate coming to the site.
    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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    • #62
      Ever since Favre left I've noticed after a win it's quiet here, but after a loss there's all kinds of posts. Favre has polarized some of the fans. It's easy to bitch about what's wrong, and people feel strongly about wanting change will post the most, like Zool said, an agenda. There is a huge lack of respect and decorum here, and if you disagree with certain posters you're personally attacked. From my observation though, if you simply ignore the obnoxious posts, the poster will just fade away, or cool off.
      Thanks Ted!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by packrulz
        Ever since Favre left I've noticed after a win it's quiet here, but after a loss there's all kinds of posts. Favre has polarized some of the fans. It's easy to bitch about what's wrong, and people feel strongly about wanting change will post the most, like Zool said, an agenda. There is a huge lack of respect and decorum here, and if you disagree with certain posters you're personally attacked. From my observation though, if you simply ignore the obnoxious posts, the poster will just fade away, or cool off.
        Fine!

        So who's the problem? Don't beat around the bush. Gimme names ! With that said; I think there will be a rift between who's seen as trouble and who's not.

        The potential for bad behaviour was always there; one can't put the blame on the BF debacle. BF was/is at most a catalyst.
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        • #64
          Hmmm...wow, doesn't this topic sound familiar? I tried to bring this up after we beat St. Louis and almost everyone here was crapping all over the Packers. Most fans are not happy unless they are miserable. It really is sad. And coming here and ready about how crappy the Packers are game in and game out really gets old. But when I pointed this out, I was told I was just a kool-aid drinker and should be more realistic. Yawn. This has turned into a Packer hate site.

          I don't come here much anymore, not that anyone gives a shit, for that reason.

          Also, the owner of this site has completely lost control of what gets posted where. I come to the Packer area and the Packer area only, just to find it cluttered up with posts about other teams and non-Packer issues. Get a grip guy! Clean up your site!

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          • #65
            The reason this place has turned into a shitty Packer Board is because there are very few Packer fans that are regulars here.

            Retailguy
            007
            Bretsky
            Mobb Deep
            Nutz


            These are all long time posters, many with past mod duties that don't like the Packers. These people bitch, whine, name call, and generally suck the fun out of being a Packer fan. These are Favre fans and a Sherman fan, not Packer fans.

            Then there is the matter of being run by liars.

            People who like the Packers have a hard time tolerating this type of garbage. These people belong in Viking boards for the most part. The Packer fans here should go too footballsfuture boards where they can enjoy rooting for their team with other Packer fans.
            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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            • #66
              This is a great season and a lot of fun. The Packers are about to knock of the Vikings and put their team in the short list of NFL elite.

              So many things are going good this season and it's so much fun to root for, but here, it's all about the old liar. It's all about bitching, whining and general doom and gloom. This place really is a shit hole.
              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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              • #67
                JH, I've enjoyed what you've posted on football since I came back. I also really enjoy the posts by each and every one of the posters you listed.

                There's really no posters that I dislike (except skin's video links. STILL scarred). I often see posters that have a bitter rivalry between them but still enjoy the good that each individual offers. Like everyone else, I get tired of a lot of the petty back and forth. Actually Partial's comment of deleting the history has some merit to it. I disagree that the history should be frozen, but I do think that historical arguments that people have had (especially in as bitterly divisive and emotional time in Packers history as there has ever been) lends itself to very limited patience between posters who have argued in the past. I quite often see people jump all over a post, not that there was anything in THAT post, but more that they've become irritated by something else that was posted or their experience with that particular poster. Maybe online wounds don't heal all that quickly...

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                • #68
                  JH, I've said many times I like your packer insight and willingness to delve into any topic and post/learn/educate, but calling out these posters doesn't help anything.

                  Mobb especially has gone a long way towards leaving BF alone and posting on the packers.

                  RG is also a true packer fan, he just doesn't think that the team is that good. His loyalty to the team isn't open to debate in my opinion.

                  007 and Bretsky loved Favre, nothing wrong with that. They were hurt and reacted accordingly when the team split. Pretty sure they are still packer fans, but they might also want to see BF do well.

                  Nutz...well, he is nutz. He might dish it towards TT and crew, but at least he doesn't get majorly offended when someone goes back at him. He has stated his position many times, no need for me to rehash it. He doesn't like the front office right now and wants it to change. He has his right to his opinion.

                  This post by you however can only incite. It can't do anything else. You are calling out a handful of posters for no good reason than having loved BF and still having a bit of loyalty to him.

                  When they post overboard undying love for BF refute it with facts. Stick to what happened in the split...better yet ignore it. Are they BF fans FIRST...I doubt that. They view the situation differently than you or I, but other than nutz wanting favre to get his revenge, I think most every packer fan on this board still wants the packers in the superbowl.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by gbpackfan
                    Hmmm...wow, doesn't this topic sound familiar? I tried to bring this up after we beat St. Louis and almost everyone here was crapping all over the Packers. Most fans are not happy unless they are miserable. It really is sad. And coming here and ready about how crappy the Packers are game in and game out really gets old. But when I pointed this out, I was told I was just a kool-aid drinker and should be more realistic. Yawn. This has turned into a Packer hate site.

                    I don't come here much anymore, not that anyone gives a shit, for that reason.

                    Also, the owner of this site has completely lost control of what gets posted where. I come to the Packer area and the Packer area only, just to find it cluttered up with posts about other teams and non-Packer issues. Get a grip guy! Clean up your site!
                    Its not just this Packer board man, I got ban from Packer Report Forum for being "too positive". Seriously, what kinda shit is that? There are two type of packer fans, the ones who support TT and the team and the ones who hate him no matter what because they feel he is the reason Favre is no longer a Packer. I havent seen it on this board as much but on other forums you have GB fans hoping we lose this season to get rid of TT which is patheitc. Thank god Aaron Rodgers has been playing as well as he has since taking over for Favre, and thats still not enough for some fans. I couldn't imagine how bad things would have gone if he would have turned out to be another Joey Harrington.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Brandon494
                      Originally posted by gbpackfan
                      Hmmm...wow, doesn't this topic sound familiar? I tried to bring this up after we beat St. Louis and almost everyone here was crapping all over the Packers. Most fans are not happy unless they are miserable. It really is sad. And coming here and ready about how crappy the Packers are game in and game out really gets old. But when I pointed this out, I was told I was just a kool-aid drinker and should be more realistic. Yawn. This has turned into a Packer hate site.

                      I don't come here much anymore, not that anyone gives a shit, for that reason.

                      Also, the owner of this site has completely lost control of what gets posted where. I come to the Packer area and the Packer area only, just to find it cluttered up with posts about other teams and non-Packer issues. Get a grip guy! Clean up your site!
                      Its not just this Packer board man, I got ban from Packer Report Forum for being "too positive". Seriously, what kinda shit is that? There are two type of packer fans, the ones who support TT and the team and the ones who hate him no matter what because they feel he is the reason Favre is no longer a Packer. I havent seen it on this board as much but on other forums you have GB fans hoping we lose this season to get rid of TT which is patheitc. Thank god for Aaron Rodgers has been playing as well as he has since taking over for Favre, and thats still not enough for some fans. I couldn't imagine how bad things would have gone if he would have turned out to be another Joey Harrington.
                      It's a tough issue to understand but I know how they feel because I feel the same way about the Badgers and Bielema. I don't like him as a coach and wish he was fired, but I don't want the team to struggle. I guess I don't feel exactly the same way. I can understand how they don't like TT or MM but I would never want the team to struggle to get rid of them.

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                      • #71
                        I think there's a middle ground too. Not all of TT's choices are good, not all are bad. Not all of the players and not all suck hairy donkey balls. Personally, I'm a big AR fan, but that doesn't mean I don't think he hasn't gotten the ball out fast enough and I certainly don't think he's responsible for all the sacks. I don't think that wins vs Detroit and Cleveland put us in the elite, but I saw signs of things in those games that could lead to that.

                        Lots of grey areas provide wonderful opportunities for discussion. Personally I don't thinks stats prove what will happen, but can be a good indication of it. That's why they play the games!!

                        I really enjoy the posters that can explain why plays are designed and how they work. I'm also trying like hell to understand the more technical side of things. The more I learn, the less I know!! Anyway, where else would I find the differing opinions?

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                        • #72
                          Who the hell are you Harrell to tell people how to be a Packer fan?

                          Everyone's view of the world is a little bit different and people need to understand that. Were rarely ever going to be of the same point of view but that's what this is all about right?
                          C.H.U.D.

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                          • #73
                            1) It is the nature of message boards to debate, to stir this type of conversation. Without debate there is very little to actually talk about amongst fans of a single team.

                            2) People have an affinity to align themselves with certain sides of an argument, via debate style, even if it doesn't match personal belief, just to debate that side. (I do this A LOT)

                            3) Call outers never forget, and will call out flip flopping on issues, they extend debates to eternity. This group often isn't actually good at debating often, instead sinking in the claws months or years later (I am especially bad with this group, as I often do not debate on behalf of personal belief, therefore flip flop at will over time).

                            4) Never been a fan of the blockhead, stone deaf, personality that each board has. Don't know why every single one does. That guy that is missing several key pieces of information seemingly, and almost comes from a clueless position, but will defend it to the death, never giving in, and never swayed by any argument.

                            Packer fans have by and large separated into a 2 party system, each with a totally different ethos and view of the game (and fitting the Democrat/Republican stereotypes quite well). There are very few, if any, message boards where they coexist, and where they do, often it is only via strong moderation or taboo subjects. (Again, I rarely talk BF here, I doubt there is anybody here that despises him more than me, that just isn't productive to talk about).

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Brandon494
                              Give me a fucking break, maybe if you didn't quote everything I said with a jackass response I wouldn't be posting the "bs" emoticons.

                              Seriously someone with a smiling dick for their avatar really getting that pissed over a smiley face wanking off.
                              This is pretty much what I'm talking about. There are some posters who take an argument against them as a "jackass response" or an attack on their intelligence.

                              No one said I'm mad about anything. Just that the lack of intellectual honesty had led to a degeneration of any kind of sustainable interesting or entertaining debate around here.

                              Like Zool said, some people aren't interested in hearing arguments against them apparently. They just want to spend page after page ranting about something or someone and I guess all they expect is a bunch of people nodding their heads and patting them on the back. When they don't get that, they act all surly and feel justified in crapping all over whoever dares offer a rebuttal.
                              "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by mraynrand
                                Content and acknowledgement of content providers. Patler, Waldo, etc. etc. actually provide interesting content that stands on it's own. I suspect, that with a front page with links to 'Patler's blog' (You can use my searchlight pic if you want), a column by Waldo (and an open link to his personal blog), Analysis by Nutz, guest columns, artwork by Skin (no porn), perhaps an tangentially off-topic column by Harlan or someone else, and maybe even a gameday chat with Cleft Crusty ON A LINKABLE front page you will change the appearance of the forum and make it more inviting and interesting. People who contribute content should get some kudos on a front page - and it will help make a name and personality for the forum. They heyday of the forum was when Mad and Zig were actively maintaining and updating the front page. Even when people started in the forum, a lot of things linked to the front page and you had people generating new content that was above the level of a thread titled "Donald Driver."
                                My humble opinion of course, but the above is pretty damn close to my position.

                                A few elaborations:

                                There used to be weekly columns written by posters on the front page. There were also weekly threads like "winners and losers" or whatever the hell it was called. I even recall a contest or 2 with actual prizes.

                                I also recall posters who were local to GB putting up photos & video to go along with their posts/columns and even non-locals doing the same for their Packer experiences. Hell - that's what made me even think of bringing my camera to a west coast Packer game I attended. Then I posted up the photos I took. Now, I wasn't nearly as good at it as some others, but based on the response, at least several other posters enjoyed them too.

                                I also recall someone getting exclusive chat time with players and/or reps of the Packer org, then taking questions from the posters and allowing them to answer. Almost like a live chat/Q&A of our own.

                                There's a certain lack of the use of technology here now. Used to be if someone had photos or vids to share, someone else would step up to help get the content posted. Now it seems that everyone's afraid.

                                As for contributing, I don't have nearly the time I used to, but when I do it comes in bunches. Sure there's certain poster personalities here I don't "like" but I keep my distance because none of you are any more real to me than any character on TV. That's not an insult - it's just that I come here strictly for entertainment. When I watch my favorite TV show - there's characters I like and characters I don't. It doesn't mean the show is any less my favorite.

                                I often feel like some of you take this posting anonymously on a public web forum waaaayyyyy too seriously.

                                Learn to laugh at yourselves a little more - you just might have more fun.
                                "Everyone's born anarchist and atheist until people start lying to them" ~ wise philosopher

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