Besides the OL, what is our biggest problem?

[Smidgeon]

I wonder if we get a 2nd rounder for him, a la Hassalbeck, after a couple season's as a back up?

I thought that was the idea. Have McCarthy groom both Flynn and Brohm (if neither could beat out AR), then ship them off for draft picks. Didn't Wolf do that several times with BF's backup QBs? Brunell, Detmer, Brooks, Hassellback...

[MJZiggy]

The division is all but lost at this point anyway. Let the kids play.

The division is lost only if the Vikings don't collapse (like they've done before) or BF doesn't collapse (like he's done before). Even then, the playoffs aren't lost as a wild card. Not by a long shot.

Preach it!!

AMEN!!!

[SnakeLH2006]

Coaching. McCarthy is a pussy.

[Gunakor]

The division is all but lost at this point anyway. Let the kids play.

The division is lost only if the Vikings don't collapse (like they've done before) or BF doesn't collapse (like he's done before). Even then, the playoffs aren't lost as a wild card. Not by a long shot.

The Wild Card is attainable even with the kids playing. You don't take their reps away and give them to a couple of has beens and expect the team to magically get better. Tauscher hasn't played a down in almost a year. Clifton has been injured and inactive twice already this season and it's not quite half over. They aren't going to be any better than Lang or Barbre, but Lang and Barbre might just become better themselves with regular PT. Like I said, Cliffy and Tausch are very nice veteran backups and I'm glad to have them. But neither should be starting right now IMO.

[Bretsky]

The division is all but lost at this point anyway. Let the kids play.

The division is lost only if the Vikings don't collapse (like they've done before) or BF doesn't collapse (like he's done before). Even then, the playoffs aren't lost as a wild card. Not by a long shot.

The Wild Card is attainable even with the kids playing. You don't take their reps away and give them to a couple of has beens and expect the team to magically get better. Tauscher hasn't played a down in almost a year. Clifton has been injured and inactive twice already this season and it's not quite half over. They aren't going to be any better than Lang or Barbre, but Lang and Barbre might just become better themselves with regular PT. Like I said, Cliffy and Tausch are very nice veteran backups and I'm glad to have them. But neither should be starting right now IMO.

agree to completely disagree. Barbe is not good enough. Lang is not ready. The time to win is now. Start the two best players and I'm sure that is what the coaches are judging.

[Scott Campbell]

We aren't playing well enough to be thinking playoffs. This team needs to concentrate on getting better and beating Tampa.

[Maxie the Taxi]

The division is all but lost at this point anyway. Let the kids play.

The division is lost only if the Vikings don't collapse (like they've done before) or BF doesn't collapse (like he's done before). Even then, the playoffs aren't lost as a wild card. Not by a long shot.

The Wild Card is attainable even with the kids playing. You don't take their reps away and give them to a couple of has beens and expect the team to magically get better. Tauscher hasn't played a down in almost a year. Clifton has been injured and inactive twice already this season and it's not quite half over. They aren't going to be any better than Lang or Barbre, but Lang and Barbre might just become better themselves with regular PT. Like I said, Cliffy and Tausch are very nice veteran backups and I'm glad to have them. But neither should be starting right now IMO.

agree to completely disagree. Barbe is not good enough. Lang is not ready. The time to win is now. Start the two best players and I'm sure that is what the coaches are judging.

Let's hope the coaching staff isn't having the same argument you two are having or the team will fall apart completely and nose dive. Whatever the decision, stick to it and stop the damn musical chairs. Everything I've read about offensive lines is that they need to be in sync, cohesive, etc.etc. Can't accomplish that with different guys playing different positions each week.

[Bretsky]

We aren't playing well enough to be thinking playoffs. This team needs to concentrate on getting better and beating Tampa.

BEATING TAMPA BAY ??

We're already had two bye weeks. This is the third

The Lions were a bye; they are a sad excuse for a pro team
The Rams were a bye; they are a sad excuse for a pro team
Tampa Bay may be worse than both of them

We win this week regardless of which roster player starts on the OL

Right now I think the coaches are figuring out who gets us the furthest this year and it sounds like that is Tausch and Cliffy

[Scott Campbell]

We aren't playing well enough to be thinking playoffs. This team needs to concentrate on getting better and beating Tampa.

BEATING TAMPA BAY ??

Did you watch the first half Sunday?

[Fritz]

That's like asking someone if he's a masochist.

[Brandon494]

We aren't playing well enough to be thinking playoffs. This team needs to concentrate on getting better and beating Tampa.

BEATING TAMPA BAY ??

Did you watch the first half Sunday?

Have you watched TB all season?

Not to mention their rookie QB is making his first career start, I'm sure Capers will be dialing up some nice blitz packages. Look for Clay Matthews to have a big game.

[Scott Campbell]

We aren't playing well enough to be thinking playoffs. This team needs to concentrate on getting better and beating Tampa.

BEATING TAMPA BAY ??

Did you watch the first half Sunday?

Have you watched TB all season?

Not to mention their rookie QB is making his first career start, I'm sure Capers will be dialing up some nice blitz packages. Look for Clay Matthews to have a big game.

I expect we'll win. But our first half last Sunday is a reminder of how bad were capable of playing. There are no gimmees for this Packer squad.

[Brandon494]

We aren't playing well enough to be thinking playoffs. This team needs to concentrate on getting better and beating Tampa.

BEATING TAMPA BAY ??

Did you watch the first half Sunday?

Have you watched TB all season?

Not to mention their rookie QB is making his first career start, I'm sure Capers will be dialing up some nice blitz packages. Look for Clay Matthews to have a big game.

I expect we'll win. But our first half last Sunday is a reminder of how bad were capable of playing. There are no gimmees for this Packer squad.

I understand, but the game last week was not a ordinary regular season game. After they settled down they showed us how good they can be in the 2nd half.

[denverYooper]

I understand, but the game last week was not a ordinary regular season game. After they settled down they showed us how good they can be in the 2nd half.

This gets at one of our main problems: we are too tight in big games. Pretty vague statement, for sure, but they just can't seem to come into a big game with knives out. Last week, for instance, Rodgers came out wound up as all hell -- he looked tense, overthrew some easy throws, etc. We start out on a nice drive to their 40, then an overthrow on a short pass, a 7 yard fumble, and an incompletion on 3rd and 17 and we exchange a couple of series.

2 series later, we grab a fumble at the Vikings 21, get a nice 7 yard gain and, a couple of tense plays later, we're kicking a figgie.

Then the Vikings get a monster runback and our D matches them with a stop deep in our territory. Looks good right? DAMN, killer penalty. 7-3 instead of 3-3, 7-3, 10-3, 14-3... We had a couple of chance to jump on 'em early.

The first half went just about as well after that. The O just seemed shocked for a bit after having 2 early chances to go up much bigger than 3-0.

It wasn't until we were down 24-6 in the second half that they started rolling a bit. I don't get it. And it seems like this isn't a new thing. In most big games against tough opponents there seem to be similar breakdowns.

So I don't know what it is, really that is a problem. Most teams have their share of problems. Pittsburgh's offensive line was a problem for them for quite some time. They found ways to win. The Patriots find ways to win. I think we're a talented team that is sitting in the middle of the pack because for whatever reason, we seem to be good at doing just enough to lose the tough games.

[Bretsky]

We aren't playing well enough to be thinking playoffs. This team needs to concentrate on getting better and beating Tampa.

BEATING TAMPA BAY ??

Did you watch the first half Sunday?

Have you watched TB all season?

Not to mention their rookie QB is making his first career start, I'm sure Capers will be dialing up some nice blitz packages. Look for Clay Matthews to have a big game.

I expect we'll win. But our first half last Sunday is a reminder of how bad were capable of playing. There are no gimmees for this Packer squad.

Have to remember we were playing a team whose GM built them VERY well via drafts, trades, and free agency "inside the trenches". QB and talent positions aside, they are just better and showed it. We have to bring our A game for four quarters to beat the Vikes

We'd have went into halftime with a lead even with that level of play against the Rams, Lions, or Bucs.