Roman cut

[HarveyWallbangers]

CaliCheeze is doom and gloom tonight. The Bengals were f'd up back then. Did you happen to watch a lot of Seahawks games last year? They didn't miss a beat when Manuel replaced Hamlin. I was surprised at that. On the other hand, they were in the hurtbag when Manuel got hurt in the Super Bowl. Some players get better or fit into a new scheme better. Some guys don't get better. Don't you think the coaches had some say in this? If they felt Roman had a decent shot at beating out Manuel, don't you think Roman would still be on the team?

[Patler]

Just like they were comfortable with Freeman and Little at safety last year?

Manuel did not earn a starting job last year, as you point out.

I hope you're just kidding HH. Little and Freeman were signed to one year contracts at veterans minimum salaries. Manual was signed for 5 years and $10 million. I think they are expecting a bit more from him than from Freeman and Little. Freeman and Little were simply offered a chance to make the team, just like O'Dwyer was. They really weren't being counted on.

[Patler]

well, the point is it was an odd move. Which mean there is more to the story. For instance, maybe Roman didn't want to play in Green Bay. He's no great shakes, so Thompson just cut losses.

Why was it odd? Several players had to be released before today to get to the TC opening limit. The DB roster going into this week was:

S Atari Bigby
CB Will Blackman
S Tra Boger
CB Ahmad Carroll
S Nick Collins
S Tyrone Culver
CB Patrick Dendy
CB Therrian Fontenot
CB Al Harris
CB Mike Hawkins
CB Jason Horton
S Marquand Manuel
S Mark Roman
S Marviel Underwood
CB Jerron Wishom
CB Charles Woodson

7 safeties, and they are likely to keep only 4, at most. Collins will start, as will Manual (You don't give a $10 million contract to be a ST player). TT knows Manual as well as he knows Roman. It was clear which one he preferred. If they like what they've seen in younger guys like Underwood, Culver and Bigby, what good does it do to keep Roman around?

Besides, the part everyone is missing is that veterans prefer to be released earlier rather than later. It gives them a better chance to catch on somewhere else.

When Hunt was injured and got a years salary, people complained about TT for not cutting him before camp to avoid injury risk. Now he does cut Manual before camp, and people complain about that.

Roman has value only as a starter.

[woodbuck27]

Patler:

I agree that looking at the situation overall:

That Roman had to be cut and since he's now with "the 49er's" it didn't hurt him as far as his future as asafety that wants to fit. Roman's got his shot now with San Fran.

" Roman started every game, mostly be default, and played almost as poorly as he had the year before. General manager Ted Thompson's decision Thursday to jettison Roman was overdue." Bob McGinn

What has been bothering me somewhat for sometime, is the comments on the health of Marquand Manuel, and I trust he will soon be ready for TC.

I'm trying to determine what is ** Manuel's injury issue. What exactly, is wrong with him physically?

Does anyone here, know the answer to that ?

It ** can't be serious or why would T2 cut Mark Roman? He did - so it can't be serious, but what exactly, is wrong with Manuel?

[Patler]

What has been bothering me somewhat for sometime, is the comments on the health of Marquand Manuel, and I trust he will soon be ready for TC.

I'm trying to determine what is ** Manuel's injury issue. What exactly, is wrong with him physically?

Does anyone here, know the answer to that ?

It ** can't be serious or why would T2 cut Mark Roman? He did - so it can't be serious, but what exactly, is wrong with Manuel?

I think this is still the hamstring injury he suffered in the Super Bowl. It didn't bother me to read that during the summer sessions. I thought they were just being cautious. But if its the first day of camp, 6 months after the Super Bowl, and he still isn't healed, that DOES concern me at least a bit.

[Tarlam!]

I think allowing him to leave now was very gracious of TT. He got picked up, I note from another thread, by the 49ers.

That was a decent thing to happen. Roman was always going to have a tough time even making this team's roster.

[woodbuck27]

I think allowing him to leave now was very gracious of TT. He got picked up, I note from another thread, by the 49ers.

That was a decent thing to happen. Roman was always going to have a tough time even making this team's roster.

Overall.Yes !

GO Packers.

[BooHoo]

My earlier comment about the timing being strange is in thinking that his release was not due to his ability but some other (not reported) reason, i.e. him shooting his mouth off, etc. I am no inside info just trying to read between the lines.

[RashanGary]

They did Roman a favor. I like TT's trigger finger though. I can't imagine anyone feels too secure in that locker room.

The guys that TT likes, he really likes. He paid fair share for Kamp and Bubba. If he doesn't like you, he won't pay a damn penny. He'll even pay to get rid of you.

We'll see how that works out, he really seems to believe in that get rid of a guy a year too early instead of a year too late concept.

[BooHoo]

They did Roman a favor. I like TT's trigger finger though. I can't imagine anyone feels too secure in that locker room.

The guys that TT likes, he really likes. He paid fair share for Kamp and Bubba. If he doesn't like you, he won't pay a damn penny. He'll even pay to get rid of you.

We'll see how that works out, he really seems to believe in that get rid of a guy a year too early instead of a year too late concept.

Agreed, he did Roman a favor. Maybe he can get picked up by another team. The release may send a good message in the locker room as you mention.

[BooHoo]

They did Roman a favor. I like TT's trigger finger though. I can't imagine anyone feels too secure in that locker room.

The guys that TT likes, he really likes. He paid fair share for Kamp and Bubba. If he doesn't like you, he won't pay a damn penny. He'll even pay to get rid of you.

We'll see how that works out, he really seems to believe in that get rid of a guy a year too early instead of a year too late concept.

Agreed, he did Roman a favor. Maybe he can get picked up by another team. The release may send a good message in the locker room as you mention.

Well, reading another thread I see that someone already picked up Roman (SF). That didn't take long.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Just like they were comfortable with Freeman and Little at safety last year?

Manuel did not earn a starting job last year, as you point out.

I hope you're just kidding HH. Little and Freeman were signed to one year contracts at veterans minimum salaries. Manual was signed for 5 years and $10 million. I think they are expecting a bit more from him than from Freeman and Little.

Well, both Little and Freeman were starters on their teams before being signed by the Packers.
Manuel was just a back up and signed as damaged goods.
Here is a link to a story on the starter that Manuel backed up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2534103

Any word when Manuel may start practicing this year?
It would have been nice to see him in pads before cutting Roman.
Roman's cap # would have been about 55% of Manuel's cap number.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Patler, I have a problem that people are too sure of themselves regarding free agents. (not directing this criticism specifically at you, just in general.)

Woodson may be a champ, also he may be washed up.
Manuel may be no better than Roman, the team has had a hard time finding a safety better than Roman the last 5 years.

Just because Woodson & Manuel got fat contracts doesn't mean that much. It reflects a dirth of free agency talent, which itself is probably due to the rising cap. They are both VERY flawed players, or they probably wouldn't be free agents. Woodson has had injury problems, hasn't had a good season for what? 3 years? Manuel is said to be more of a run stuffer, not so swift of foot.

We'll see.

[Patler]

Just because Woodson & Manuel got fat contracts doesn't mean that much. It reflects a dirth of free agency talent, which itself is probably due to the rising cap. They are both VERY flawed players, or they probably wouldn't be free agents. Woodson has had injury problems, hasn't had a good season for what? 3 years? Manuel is said to be more of a run stuffer, not so swift of foot.

We'll see.

Oh, I agree. I'm not convinced about anything with Manuel. My comment was only in reply to the comparison you made between Manuel this year and Little/Freeman last year. Harvey suggested that the coaches felt "Manuel would beat out Roman", to which you replied, "Just like they were comfortable with Freeman and Little at safety last year?" I don't think it is a real good comparison. Now if you had said "Joe Johnson" instead of Little and Freeman, there wouldn't have been much anyone could say!!!

The contracts certainly are an indication of what management expects the player will mean to the team. In other words it is a reflection of their "comfort" level with the player. It does not, however, mean they will be correct in their assessments. (See Joe Johnson again!)

The fact that all three safeties were free agents is insignificant without an understanding of the circumstances under which they became free agents. Little was released by Cleveland before his contract expired in spite of the fact his contract with Cleveland was pretty much at minimum levels. Same with Freeman. Miami released him when they still had rights to him in spite of the fact he had been paid little. The gave him a whole $71,000 as a signing bonus in 2004 on a two year contract, yet released him after only one year. Manuel on the other hand was a free agent NOT because his previous team gave up on him, but because his contract expired and he was free to leave a team that, reportedly at least, tried to keep him.

I don't think it is a stretch to suggest the coaches are more comfortable with and expect more from Manuel than they did from either Freeman or Little. Freeman, Little, O'Dwyer were just "guys" who were brought in to see if they could help. Manuel is EXPECTED to help, just like Joe Johnson was EXPECTED to help.

Regarding the release of Roman, I think they believe that even if Manuel is not all he is expected to be, Roman is not that difficult to replace. If not Manual, than one of the other safeties on their roster, or soon to be released somewhere else. In other words, he probably is not much different than Freeman or Little, just a "guy" who might be able to contribute somewhere, given the right circumstances..

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't think it is a stretch to suggest the coaches are more comfortable with and expect more from Manuel than they did from either Freeman or Little.

I don't know. Roman was really poor in 2004. I think Thompson expected Freeman &/or Little to be a significant upgrade. Thompson wasn't just taking a flyer on those free agents, it was to fill a need.