Rodgers' Pocket Sense Deteriorating?

[th87]

I fear it's possible.

Remember last year's preseason, when he got destroyed by San Francisco? After that game, he learned not to hold on to the ball and focused on getting it out quickly. This was compensation for a crappy o-line.

This year's o-line is considerably worse. At first, it seemed as though Rodgers/McCarthy was going to adapt to it and go back to last year's approach. But the line is so bad that Rodgers has had to brace for hits IMMEDIATELY after the snap.

This, in my opinion, has ruined his confidence and sense of timing. Now he seems far more confused than I've ever seen him. It's like he has no trust in anything - that the line will hold up, that he'll have enough time to find the open receiver, and that he can make a good throw given the duress he's been under.

I feared this for him. David Carr wasn't a bad quarterback. It more turned out that Carr was hit so much that he'd completely lost his internal clock. If we don't figure out what to do, we might lose Rodgers to the broken clock.

And for those of you that say he has the time to throw, it doesn't tell the whole story. From a strictly "seconds after the snap" standpoint, there might theoretically be enough time to throw. But how soon after the snap is the pocket collapsing in Rodgers' face?

There has been no pocket integrity whatsoever. I watch other teams create a nice, clean, parabola-shaped pocket, whereas for Rodgers, there's this jumbled, caved-in mess. It is within this mess that people say, "Oh, 4 seconds? That's enough time to get rid of it." But the truth is that as soon as he gets the snap, he's ALREADY trying to figure out how to escape.

And that's not healthy for a developing quarterback.

[packerbacker1234]

It does feel like he was better at this last year then now.

He had the ball in his hands to win the game, and he just stood there like a statue. He had been scrambling earlier in the day to let things develop. Now, with the game on the line, he dropped back and just stood there. Took too long to make a decisions, and in the end got sacked and threw another int.


A lot of the sacks today were mostly on AR, save the almost safety sack. Many of the sakcs he had upwords of 5+ seconds to make a decision... and he didn't.

Before tauscher went down the line was actually solid save college getting raped. So, AR... I know I can say it's a bad game, but it just epitomized the issue he has had all year. His awareness is worse, and with the game on the line, that is when it's ok to run around and make shit happen.

Watching that made me Miss #4. As crazy as Favre was, at least he tried to make something happen. Rodgers just stood there.

[imscott72]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

[Brohm]

We are watching Rodgers incremental destruction before our eyes. I do not believe he is being put in a position to succeed, from the OL play to the play-calling.

[g4orce]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

[gex]

On some of those plays, there actually was a pocket but then he wouldnt step up into it. He would take a 5-7 step drop and just stand there.....well thats precisly where the defensive ends are rushing towards, then he gets hit just as he hurries his throw instead of stepping up and maybe sliding to on side or another.

[imscott72]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

Is this Patler's 2nd account??

[imscott72]

On some of those plays, there actually was a pocket but then he wouldnt step up into it. He would take a 5-7 step drop and just stand there.....well thats precisly where the defensive ends are rushing towards, then he gets hit just as he hurries his throw instead of stepping up and maybe sliding to on side or another.

I'm not saying Aaron's hasn't made mistakes, because he has. But I really do think the poor OL play has changed the way he operates for obvious reasons. His first thought when he drops back isn't his reads, it's where's the pressure coming from.

[th87]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

His garbage line has hindered his development. His internal clock seems broken, which has led to his inconsistent play.

If they don't put him in a position to succeed, he'll only regress further.

So technically, yeah, he is to blame for today's meltdown, but it was exacerbated by the slow beatdown of his pocket presence resulting from an embarrassingly bad line.

[g4orce]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

Is this Patler's 2nd account??

I'm not saying the entire game was on him. But it has to be pointed out that he fails with the game on the line, a lot. We used to have a guy that played like a lion with the game on the line, he wasnt good enough for us and now we are stuck with a guy that plays like a kitten with the chips down.

[lod01]

He holds the ball way too long. Everyone of you was screaming 'get rid of it', repeatedly today. Don't say you weren't.

When a guy with superior WR's is outplayed by a rookie with guys that probalby couldn't make the Packers roster, something is very wrong.

What is this guy doing and that has nothing to do with the pocket althought the Ol needs upgraded. The pocket looks like shit because he holds it too long

[g4orce]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

His garbage line has hindered his development. His internal clock seems broken, which has led to his inconsistent play.

If they don't put him in a position to succeed, he'll only regress further.

So technically, yeah, he is to blame for today's meltdown, but it was exacerbated by the slow beatdown of his pocket presence resulting from an embarrassingly bad line.

I agree with you. But sometimes its either you have it or you dont. Sometimes its really that simple. Would an amazing Oline help him? Of course it would, it would help any QB there is. But something has to be said about how he plays when we need him the most. Its getting very old, and fast.

[th87]

He holds the ball way too long. Everyone of you was screaming 'get rid of it', repeatedly today. Don't say you weren't.

When a guy with superior WR's is outplayed by a rookie with guys that probalby couldn't make the Packers roster, something is very wrong.

What is this guy doing and that has nothing to do with the pocket althought the Ol needs upgraded. The pocket looks like shit because he holds it too long

He never used to hold it this long. So something must have happened, no?

The line has beaten the pocket sense out of him.

[MJZiggy]

I've been worried about Carr Syndrome all season. This is unacceptable for an NFL quarterback to take this kind of a beating all year.

[imscott72]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

Is this Patler's 2nd account??

We used to have a guy that played like a lion with the game on the line, he wasnt good enough for us and now we are stuck with a guy that plays like a kitten with the chips down.

So that gutty rush TD meant nothing?