Rodgers' Pocket Sense Deteriorating?

[digitaldean]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

OK, so what's your realistic solution to this?

I blame Rodgers for the first pick, that was clearly a bonehead throw and a momentum changer. The second pick is on Jennings.

He is a good QB. I believe that he is showing the tendencies of what Carr was going through in Houston.

Rodgers is the LEAST of this team's problems. The O-Line, special teams and the defensive inconsistencies are the top 3 items that need to be addressed. All this falls on MM and TT.

[th87]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

His garbage line has hindered his development. His internal clock seems broken, which has led to his inconsistent play.

If they don't put him in a position to succeed, he'll only regress further.

So technically, yeah, he is to blame for today's meltdown, but it was exacerbated by the slow beatdown of his pocket presence resulting from an embarrassingly bad line.

I agree with you. But sometimes its either you have it or you dont. Sometimes its really that simple. Would an amazing Oline help him? Of course it would, it would help any QB there is. But something has to be said about how he plays when we need him the most. Its getting very old, and fast.

He's not Favre. He never was and never will be. Favre was an "instincts" guy. Rodgers is more of a technician, and technicians need time and to be put in situations to learn live-game situations.

But his learning environment must be one that helps him, not hurts him. And this is hurting him.

[g4orce]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

His garbage line has hindered his development. His internal clock seems broken, which has led to his inconsistent play.

If they don't put him in a position to succeed, he'll only regress further.

So technically, yeah, he is to blame for today's meltdown, but it was exacerbated by the slow beatdown of his pocket presence resulting from an embarrassingly bad line.

I agree with you. But sometimes its either you have it or you dont. Sometimes its really that simple. Would an amazing Oline help him? Of course it would, it would help any QB there is. But something has to be said about how he plays when we need him the most. Its getting very old, and fast.

He's not Favre. He never was and never will be. Favre was an "instincts" guy. Rodgers is more of a technician, and technicians need time and to be put in situations to learn live-game situations.

But his learning environment must be one that helps him, not hurts him. And this is hurting him.

Ill agree with you there. I just wonder how long it takes to learn? I mean it is only his 2nd year playing, but its also year 5 which should have helped him too.

[th87]

Can you blame him? He's literally running for his life on every play. Would you feel comfortable taking a 5 step drop behind that line? He's always looking over his shoulder. He's banged up and wondering who's going to hit him next. This isn't his fault.

oh mylanta! Really? None of this is his fault? The dude had the ball in his hands TWICE in this game and could have driven HIS team down the field for a win or hell, even a tie and he FAILED TO DO SO. Oh by the way, the same shit happened one year ago in Tampa. He fails with the game on the line. He plays more like a kitten when you need the heart of a lion when you need him the most.

His garbage line has hindered his development. His internal clock seems broken, which has led to his inconsistent play.

If they don't put him in a position to succeed, he'll only regress further.

So technically, yeah, he is to blame for today's meltdown, but it was exacerbated by the slow beatdown of his pocket presence resulting from an embarrassingly bad line.

I agree with you. But sometimes its either you have it or you dont. Sometimes its really that simple. Would an amazing Oline help him? Of course it would, it would help any QB there is. But something has to be said about how he plays when we need him the most. Its getting very old, and fast.

He's not Favre. He never was and never will be. Favre was an "instincts" guy. Rodgers is more of a technician, and technicians need time and to be put in situations to learn live-game situations.

But his learning environment must be one that helps him, not hurts him. And this is hurting him.

Ill agree with you there. I just wonder how long it takes to learn? I mean it is only his 2nd year playing, but its also year 5 which should have helped him too.

I can read about poker for years, but I'll never get good at it unless I'm in live situations.

It takes a certain gift to have the moxie to succeed immediately. Favre was a once-in-a-generation talent, and even he was in danger of losing his job.

Rodgers can become Drew Brees-like (a similar player). But this is only if his clock doesn't get ruined permanently.

This is vital. I hope the Packers realize the seriousness of this.

[green_bowl_packer]

He holds the ball way too long. Everyone of you was screaming 'get rid of it', repeatedly today. Don't say you weren't.

When a guy with superior WR's is outplayed by a rookie with guys that probalby couldn't make the Packers roster, something is very wrong.

What is this guy doing and that has nothing to do with the pocket althought the Ol needs upgraded. The pocket looks like shit because he holds it too long

A recent article stated "ARod holds balls longer than Al Bundy"

[Sparkey]

They said on radio that Rodgers played with metal orthopedics supports in each shoe to protect his dislocated toe and arch in the other foot. Supposedly, with those devices, he is unable to rock forward and plant when he throws. Less zip on the ball and more than likely, they will float a bit at times.

[gex]

I've been worried about Carr Syndrome all season. This is unacceptable for an NFL quarterback to take this kind of a beating all year.

I like this term, it is exactly what is happening to him.
Coin that phrase!

[Noodle]

Hard to argue with th87's premise. He looks like he knows he's going to get whacked, and often, he's right. Hard for him to step forward in to a pocket that is usually collapsing due to interior push.

On the "holds it too long" thing, this may be true, but you can't really say this unless you know how the play was designed or what the receivers were doing. I find it frustrating that you rarely get a camera angle showing what he saw or what receivers were or were no open.

But no denying he's looking to escape as soon as he sets. His internal clock is shot.

[rbaloha1]

AR clearly holds the ball too long. Before the Tampa game 12 out of 31 sacks were due to AR. Unsure of today's game but suspect AR is to blame for many of the sacks.

AR is not savvy like Favre in the pocket. Release is also slower and is unable to go thru progressions quickly as well.

Bottom-line does not have #4 instincts. So far mainly a stats guy unable to lead winning drives and win a meaningful game.

[Brandon494]

AR clearly holds the ball too long. Before the Tampa game 12 out of 31 sacks were due to AR. Unsure of today's game but suspect AR is to blame for many of the sacks.

AR is not savvy like Favre in the pocket. Release is also slower and is unable to go thru progressions quickly as well.

Bottom-line does not have #4 instincts. So far mainly a stats guy unable to lead winning drives and win a meaningful game.

Not many QBs do have #4 instincts.

AR does get greedy at times and holds onto the ball looking for the big play. The kid is only 25 and does not even have 2 years starting experience yet. Also doesnt help him that his O-line is horrible.

[rbaloha1]

AR clearly holds the ball too long. Before the Tampa game 12 out of 31 sacks were due to AR. Unsure of today's game but suspect AR is to blame for many of the sacks.

AR is not savvy like Favre in the pocket. Release is also slower and is unable to go thru progressions quickly as well.

Bottom-line does not have #4 instincts. So far mainly a stats guy unable to lead winning drives and win a meaningful game.

Not many QBs do have #4 instincts.

AR does get greedy at times and holds onto the ball looking for the big play. The kid is only 25 and does not even have 2 years starting experience yet. Also doesnt help him that his O-line is horrible.

True. The only reason it is mentioned the organization selected #12 over #4. Also expect more instincts since he studied #4 for 3 seasons.

[pbmax]

#4 didn't have #4's instincts until 1995. It took him 2 1/2 years of starting to figure out how to survive. He wasn't throwing up after hits because his timing was good in the pocket.

Remember when fans cheered his first toss OOB on purpose? That was 1994 I believe. Prior to him learning this lesson, he ran around like Tarkenton until he could throw it. Difference was that he was a truck compared to Trakenton and Rodgers line is far worse than any Favre played behind.

Rodgers is still learning what it takes to survive and succeed. You can't learn that on the bench.

[pbmax]

Bottom-line does not have #4 instincts. So far mainly a stats guy unable to lead winning drives and win a meaningful game.

Please look up how many game winning drives Favre led in his first three years (92-partial.93.94) as a starter. We can compare with Rodgers at the end of next season and see where it stands.

[3irty1]

I don't think he has lost it at least not like Carr. Carr was ruined because he was physically dominated until he couldn't help but be afraid. Rodgers doesn't fear the pass rush he just ignores it trying to make a play. If he had average NFL protection I think this issue would disappear.

[mraynrand]

I don't think he has lost it at least not like Carr. Carr was ruined because he was physically dominated until he couldn't help but be afraid. Rodgers doesn't fear the pass rush he just ignores it trying to make a play. If he had average NFL protection I think this issue would disappear.

I dunno. Mebbe if I mixed it up and diddnt have drives of all runs den drives of all 30 yard padderns - ya no, sorda mix it up with checkdowns andda few more screens ta take da pressr ofda QB A BIT.