Brown: "The Vikings have stole our swagger, period.''

[Smidgeon]

MM is a joke of a coach and I really don't think the players respect him.

I hope you're being hyperbolic. M3 isn't close to being a joke of a coach. That would be Mangini or Lane Kiffin territory or Nick Saban (in the NFL). Or maybe Zorn territory.

I would say that M3 isn't stellar, but a joke wouldn't have been runner up for coach of the year in 2007. A joke wouldn't have gotten a contract extension. And the players not respecting him? That's pure unsubstantiated speculation.

[MOBB DEEP]

Pay no attention to Gilbert, they just interviewed him when he was hungry and they were keeping a huge burger just out of his reach.

Dont discount him. I saw gilbert in an interview the week before the game and it was CLEAR he bleeds green and gold along with Will Hen. It sounds like he's actually hurt by the direction of the franchise; not some bitter cat

[MOBB DEEP]

Did anyone else see it? Especially after the game?

What are u referring to Buck? Dont be cryptic..OF COURSE Driver should embrace him so I know it cant be that

[3irty1]

I wish the Vikings had stolen our period.

[pbmax]

gilby is right...mr. tough pittsburg guy got married, had a kid and now is afraid of the cold and won't practice outdoors. He is worried about working guys too hard, and our smash mouth running game has been around for exactly 8 games at the end of '07.

We need some cock in the walk...we need some physical play...and I'm not talking about head butting a guy on 4th down. I honestly believe the type of practices he runs is at the core of this. I want special teams FIGHTS, not pissy holding penalties. I want our OL driving guys into the ground until the whistle, not false starts. And finally I want a swarming defense that can get to a QB on 3rd down.

My sarcasm detector might be on the fritz but we have practiced outside for the first time in three seasons this year. If anything, we should stop.

[Fritz]

gilby is right...mr. tough pittsburg guy got married, had a kid and now is afraid of the cold and won't practice outdoors. He is worried about working guys too hard, and our smash mouth running game has been around for exactly 8 games at the end of '07.

We need some cock in the walk...we need some physical play...and I'm not talking about head butting a guy on 4th down. I honestly believe the type of practices he runs is at the core of this. I want special teams FIGHTS, not pissy holding penalties. I want our OL driving guys into the ground until the whistle, not false starts. And finally I want a swarming defense that can get to a QB on 3rd down.

My sarcasm detector might be on the fritz but we have practiced outside for the first time in three seasons this year. If anything, we should stop.

Nope. Not on me anywhere.

[bobblehead]

gilby is right...mr. tough pittsburg guy got married, had a kid and now is afraid of the cold and won't practice outdoors. He is worried about working guys too hard, and our smash mouth running game has been around for exactly 8 games at the end of '07.

We need some cock in the walk...we need some physical play...and I'm not talking about head butting a guy on 4th down. I honestly believe the type of practices he runs is at the core of this. I want special teams FIGHTS, not pissy holding penalties. I want our OL driving guys into the ground until the whistle, not false starts. And finally I want a swarming defense that can get to a QB on 3rd down.

My sarcasm detector might be on the fritz but we have practiced outside for the first time in three seasons this year. If anything, we should stop.

Yea, I forgot that we did finally. But again, from all I've read MM doesn't have competitive practices. He doesn't make the OL stop the DL. Its all assignment practice and positioning, and lining up according to the other team. And actually its still early...I think we have practiced outside in years past before it got really cold. talk to me in december.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

gilby is right...mr. tough pittsburg guy got married, had a kid and now is afraid of the cold and won't practice outdoors. He is worried about working guys too hard, and our smash mouth running game has been around for exactly 8 games at the end of '07.

We need some cock in the walk...we need some physical play...and I'm not talking about head butting a guy on 4th down. I honestly believe the type of practices he runs is at the core of this. I want special teams FIGHTS, not pissy holding penalties. I want our OL driving guys into the ground until the whistle, not false starts. And finally I want a swarming defense that can get to a QB on 3rd down.

Ah, yes. More of Bobble's ridiculous he got married and had a kid BS. MM already was married b4 and had a kid.

Jesus, man...give it up. You have been PROVEN wrong on this repeatedly.

And, of course, we HAVE been practicing outside.

[rbaloha1]

MM is a joke of a coach and I really don't think the players respect him.

I hope you're being hyperbolic. M3 isn't close to being a joke of a coach. That would be Mangini or Lane Kiffin territory or Nick Saban (in the NFL). Or maybe Zorn territory.

I would say that M3 isn't stellar, but a joke wouldn't have been runner up for coach of the year in 2007. A joke wouldn't have gotten a contract extension. And the players not respecting him? That's pure unsubstantiated speculation.

Maybe #4 made MM look good as he did with previous Packer assistant coaches?

[rbaloha1]

Agree with GB. The entire Packer organization is humiliated. An unlikely Cowboys victory returns the swagger.

[Smidgeon]

MM is a joke of a coach and I really don't think the players respect him.

I hope you're being hyperbolic. M3 isn't close to being a joke of a coach. That would be Mangini or Lane Kiffin territory or Nick Saban (in the NFL). Or maybe Zorn territory.

I would say that M3 isn't stellar, but a joke wouldn't have been runner up for coach of the year in 2007. A joke wouldn't have gotten a contract extension. And the players not respecting him? That's pure unsubstantiated speculation.

Maybe #4 made MM look good as he did with previous Packer assistant coaches?

So it wasn't M3 who coached BF to the best statistical season of his career since his MVPs after years of uncontrolled QB play during his last season in GB? That was Favre suddenly doing something he didn't do with M2 at all or doing something he didn't do unless M1 was screaming at him? He just...poof...was playing far more controlled which resulted in an NFC championship game where he threw an interception to stay out of the Super Bowl? I think BF is a different QB now, but I think it took GB moving on, playing for the Jets for a year, and feeling that age get to him that made him really realize it. He was still throwing picks like miners on strike with GB until M3. So, please tell, how was 2007's success, a surprising defense (considering the years around it), and Ryan Grant completely BF making M3 look good?

I'm not saying that M3 is a great coach. I've said that he's serviceable, and I'll stick with that assessment. But he's not a joke of a coach. That is entirely hyperbole, and as long as we all know it's hyperbole, I'm okay with it.

[Badgerinmaine]

Re: Brown: "The Vikings have stole our swagger, period.

Brown said, per SportsRadioInterviews.com. "Everything that goes on starts with the big man upfront."

Yes, because once Gilbert gets to be up front at the head of the line, he can speak up and order a sack of Gilbert Burgers.

[mraynrand]

MM is a joke of a coach and I really don't think the players respect him.

I hope you're being hyperbolic. M3 isn't close to being a joke of a coach. That would be Mangini or Lane Kiffin territory or Nick Saban (in the NFL). Or maybe Zorn territory.

I would say that M3 isn't stellar, but a joke wouldn't have been runner up for coach of the year in 2007. A joke wouldn't have gotten a contract extension. And the players not respecting him? That's pure unsubstantiated speculation.

Maybe #4 made MM look good as he did with previous Packer assistant coaches?

So it wasn't M3 who coached BF to the best statistical season of his career since his MVPs after years of uncontrolled QB play during his last season in GB? That was Favre suddenly doing something he didn't do with M2 at all or doing something he didn't do unless M1 was screaming at him? He just...poof...was playing far more controlled which resulted in an NFC championship game where he threw an interception to stay out of the Super Bowl? I think BF is a different QB now, but I think it took GB moving on, playing for the Jets for a year, and feeling that age get to him that made him really realize it. He was still throwing picks like miners on strike with GB until M3. So, please tell, how was 2007's success, a surprising defense (considering the years around it), and Ryan Grant completely BF making M3 look good?

I'm not saying that M3 is a great coach. I've said that he's serviceable, and I'll stick with that assessment. But he's not a joke of a coach. That is entirely hyperbole, and as long as we all know it's hyperbole, I'm okay with it.

Check out Favre's stats from 2004 - similar to his MVP years.

[Smidgeon]

Re: Brown: "The Vikings have stole our swagger, period.

Brown said, per SportsRadioInterviews.com. "Everything that goes on starts with the big man upfront."

Yes, because once Gilbert gets to be up front at the head of the line, he can speak up and order a sack of Gilbert Burgers.

My favorite was when he was on crutches on the sideline for a game and an opposing player was pushing out of bounds, ran right into Gilbert, and fell down without moving him. Funniest thing ever. Does anyone else remember that game?

[Smidgeon]

Check out Favre's stats from 2004 - similar to his MVP years.

Similar, but not quite as good. 2004 had more touchdowns, but also more interceptions and a lower completion rate.