Bills grab Brohm off the practice squad

[Smidgeon]

For someone with a wealth of knowledge when it comes to x's and o's, you sure post some dumb shit when it comes to defending Teddy. Comparing what this clown has down in GB to other organizations like Pitt and Indy is down-right STUPIDITY.

Football offense 101 states you must be able to RUN THE BALL AND PROTECT YOUR QB. In YEAR 5, Thompson's team DOES NIETHER. And please don't start quoting me stats cause we both know stats can be mis-leading. Let's base this on what we've seen this season.

Those other organizations did what Teddy cannot do and that is find medium round offensive linemen who are DEPENDABLE. In other words, they won't consistently blow guys off the line, but neither will they have brain cramps and forget their blocking assignment. Nor will they whiff on a block and stand by to watch their QB get drilled or forget the snap count on a key drive.

Also may-be you should go back year by year in those other organizations and look at picks in rounds 1-4 and see how many of those picks became wasted and compare it to Teddy's stellar record. I think you would be surprised.

One last thought. You paint a rosy picture for the next "cycle" as you call it. Your boy has done NOTHING to replace the most important position on the O-line. Clifton is at the end of his career and we have NO ONE who we can trust to protect the franchise QB's blind side. For someone as football smart as you, failing to recognize this EPIC Thompson blunder is just a damn shame...........

Saying it LOUDER and calling others STUPID killed any logic you might have had for me. Your tone comes off as such a jackass, I lost track of your point before the first paragraph ended. Just my opinion.

Normally I'd chip in here, but you guys have it pretty well covered. Thanks.

This is true teamwork. Eric Mangini should be paying attention...

[bobblehead]

But don't tell us that bicep and ankle injuries are precursors to back troubles.

Not precursors to back trouble, but warnings that the guy couldn't stay healthy. He played one complete college year, was banged up the rest of them. You can't predict back trouble, but there were warnings PB, significant warnings...

I would guess that a full half of marquee talents coming out of college have at least one notable injury in their career. And honestly, ankle injuries are fluke injuries, they are warning signs of NOTHING!

[Waldo]

But don't tell us that bicep and ankle injuries are precursors to back troubles.

Not precursors to back trouble, but warnings that the guy couldn't stay healthy. He played one complete college year, was banged up the rest of them. You can't predict back trouble, but there were warnings PB, significant warnings...

I would guess that a full half of marquee talents coming out of college have at least one notable injury in their career. And honestly, ankle injuries are fluke injuries, they are warning signs of NOTHING!

Biceps too. Torn biceps, while not terribly common, have a near 100% recovery rate to pre-injury levels.

The back thing really sucks. Especially because it occurred in GB's weight room.

[bobblehead]

For someone with a wealth of knowledge when it comes to x's and o's, you sure post some dumb shit when it comes to defending Teddy. Comparing what this clown has down in GB to other organizations like Pitt and Indy is down-right STUPIDITY.

Football offense 101 states you must be able to RUN THE BALL AND PROTECT YOUR QB. In YEAR 5, Thompson's team DOES NIETHER. And please don't start quoting me stats cause we both know stats can be mis-leading. Let's base this on what we've seen this season.

Those other organizations did what Teddy cannot do and that is find medium round offensive linemen who are DEPENDABLE. In other words, they won't consistently blow guys off the line, but neither will they have brain cramps and forget their blocking assignment. Nor will they whiff on a block and stand by to watch their QB get drilled or forget the snap count on a key drive.

Also may-be you should go back year by year in those other organizations and look at picks in rounds 1-4 and see how many of those picks became wasted and compare it to Teddy's stellar record. I think you would be surprised.

One last thought. You paint a rosy picture for the next "cycle" as you call it. Your boy has done NOTHING to replace the most important position on the O-line. Clifton is at the end of his career and we have NO ONE who we can trust to protect the franchise QB's blind side. For someone as football smart as you, failing to recognize this EPIC Thompson blunder is just a damn shame...........

Saying it LOUDER and calling others STUPID killed any logic you might have had for me. Your tone comes off as such a jackass, I lost track of your point before the first paragraph ended. Just my opinion.

His point was that because MM calls only 15 runs a game that TT has obviously failed to provide us with a running game.

[Smidgeon]

But don't tell us that bicep and ankle injuries are precursors to back troubles.

Not precursors to back trouble, but warnings that the guy couldn't stay healthy. He played one complete college year, was banged up the rest of them. You can't predict back trouble, but there were warnings PB, significant warnings...

I would guess that a full half of marquee talents coming out of college have at least one notable injury in their career. And honestly, ankle injuries are fluke injuries, they are warning signs of NOTHING!

Biceps too. Torn biceps, while not terribly common, have a near 100% recovery rate to pre-injury levels.

The back thing really sucks. Especially because it occurred in GB's weight room.

Didn't part of it start in his mom's kitchen?

[bobblehead]

But don't tell us that bicep and ankle injuries are precursors to back troubles.

Not precursors to back trouble, but warnings that the guy couldn't stay healthy. He played one complete college year, was banged up the rest of them. You can't predict back trouble, but there were warnings PB, significant warnings...

I would guess that a full half of marquee talents coming out of college have at least one notable injury in their career. And honestly, ankle injuries are fluke injuries, they are warning signs of NOTHING!

Biceps too. Torn biceps, while not terribly common, have a near 100% recovery rate to pre-injury levels.

The back thing really sucks. Especially because it occurred in GB's weight room.

Didn't part of it start in his mom's kitchen?

Common myth...but as some have pointed out it was something like 8 weeks between the end of the season and the off season workouts...just how outta shape can a 24? year old get in 8 weeks?

[mraynrand]

But don't tell us that bicep and ankle injuries are precursors to back troubles.

Not precursors to back trouble, but warnings that the guy couldn't stay healthy. He played one complete college year, was banged up the rest of them. You can't predict back trouble, but there were warnings PB, significant warnings...

I would guess that a full half of marquee talents coming out of college have at least one notable injury in their career. And honestly, ankle injuries are fluke injuries, they are warning signs of NOTHING!

Biceps too. Torn biceps, while not terribly common, have a near 100% recovery rate to pre-injury levels.

The back thing really sucks. Especially because it occurred in GB's weight room.

Didn't part of it start in his mom's kitchen?

I like the Mom's kitchen theory. Gilbert Brown porked it on too in Mom's kitchen and he blew out a bicep as well.

[Smidgeon]

But don't tell us that bicep and ankle injuries are precursors to back troubles.

Not precursors to back trouble, but warnings that the guy couldn't stay healthy. He played one complete college year, was banged up the rest of them. You can't predict back trouble, but there were warnings PB, significant warnings...

I would guess that a full half of marquee talents coming out of college have at least one notable injury in their career. And honestly, ankle injuries are fluke injuries, they are warning signs of NOTHING!

Biceps too. Torn biceps, while not terribly common, have a near 100% recovery rate to pre-injury levels.

The back thing really sucks. Especially because it occurred in GB's weight room.

Didn't part of it start in his mom's kitchen?

I like the Mom's kitchen theory. Gilbert Brown porked it on too in Mom's kitchen and he blew out a bicep as well.

He was also a very solid player on the GB D-line for a while. I'll take that correlation!

[CaliforniaCheez]

Some of you forget some details of that 2005 salary cap shedding season.

1) They had been putting off Brett's salary cap and Andrew Brandt said unless you start paying it down there will be disaster upon retirement like Aikman).

2) Sharper was no longer affordable, Rivera, and Wahle were all part of it.

3) The Shermn GM years had to be paid down. There was no way to avoid the pain.

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As to trading Kampmann, you get more than just a 5th round compensatory pick if he signs elsewhere, but you lose leadership and give up on him without giving him a chance. Plus if there were injuries on the D line he can still take over there.

There is no easy solution.

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Colledge was drafted for that silly zone blocking crap. That fad is ending and you saw with drafting Sitton, Lang and Meredith the direction the line is headed. Being stylish costs you in the long run.

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Back to Brohm. The problem is arm strength. He can't put the zip on the ball required at the NFL level. That in turn hurt his confidence and mental outlook. He tried more to not make mistakes instead of making plays.

The Packers had not given up on him. They cut and lost Jake Allen to Cleveland to make a spot for him. But Brohm wisely relizing that next year he would probably be a practice squad player sees money and opportunity in the confused Buffalo Bills situation. Can't blame him a bit. The Packers will not really miss him. Trading him this offseason would have been giving up on him.

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With Jolly and Pickett's contracts up there will be another defensive lineman drafted. Even if Lang is Clifton's replacement a back up will have to be drafted. They also have to find a replacement at CB that is not named Lee or Blackmon. Midrounds don't be suprised if a big Center and RB are drafted. 3rd QB is just not a priority.

[pbmax]

1) They had been putting off Brett's salary cap and Andrew Brandt said unless you start paying it down there will be disaster upon retirement like Aikman).

I don't remember this at all. Any details you recall? My memory is that they played Favre's contract pretty straight. But my memory has failed before.

[KYPack]

I kid you not. We still need to find a back-up QB. Flynn is totally unproven. We need a guy who can come in and play QB. Flynn could be a total disaster.

I don't care how well he knows the O, can he play?

Nobody knows.

[Rastak]

I kid you not. We still need to find a back-up QB. Flynn is totally unproven. We need a guy who can come in and play QB. Flynn could be a total disaster.

I don't care how well he knows the O, can he play?

Nobody knows.

KY, I have to agree. I'm a big fan of having a vet as #2 and a developmental guy at #3.

[KYPack]

I kid you not. We still need to find a back-up QB. Flynn is totally unproven. We need a guy who can come in and play QB. Flynn could be a total disaster.

I don't care how well he knows the O, can he play?

Nobody knows.

KY, I have to agree. I'm a big fan of having a vet as #2 and a developmental guy at #3.

You got it pal.
Lay out some money for a vet #2, and make sure he the kind of guy who help mature the kid you have #3. But his primary job is moving the team if the big boy goes down. TT's insistence at two kids at back-up is flat-out goofy.

Chez, PB is right. BF's contact was a 10 year extension expiring in 2010. Brandt got it done correctly, there was no big hit coming that we had to pay down.

The Aikman deal was an example to Jerruh thaat he needed to get a cap guy. Brett's deal was nowhere like that one.

[pbmax]

Time to wander off to the recesses of my memory.

It was 1988. No one knew what a cell phone was, but we had car phones just like in the Shazam! (not Kazam!) live action cartoon on Saturday morning. But ours came in a bag like your were an infantry radio operator. You paid $400 to have the antenna mounted to your car so the window could then leak. Computers weren't in every house and those that had them were communicating with bulletin boards at 300 baud. Oddly enough, the only things discussed were porn, football and insults. Somethings never change. The only reason to get cable was HBO and ESPN and satellite antennas were larger than a picnic table.

And the Cleveland Browns had a playoff team and a great situation at QB. A young star in Bernie Kosar with a veteran backup in Gary Danielson. Sure Kosar looked more like your tax attorney than an NFL QB, but he was smart and somehow he made it work while moving around the pocket like he was running in sand. This team was coached by Marty Schottenheimer which meant it was snake bit. And in 1988, that meant QB injuries.

Week 1 Kosar gets hurt and Danielson comes in, gets a win versus the Chiefs. Danielson starts one week later and is nearly killed when Mark Gastineau and Brigitte Nielsen trample him doing the sack dance. This injury, which must have been more horrific than I remember, ends Danielson's career. Of course, he is 204 years old. Mike Pagel, former below average starting QB for the Colts goes in and takes the loss to the Jets. Browns have no one else at QB so they lure Don Strock out of Miami retirement by promising to play him only in away or dome games. Pagel goes 2-2 in four starts after the Jets game and then is hurt himself, I believe.

Kosar is getting healthier, but Strock gets a start first and ingratiates himself with the faithful by beating the Eagles. Bernie returns for a 5-3 stretch at which time he must take a training class at H&R Block. Strock starts 2 more games and goes 1-1. He is 38 and 2-1 as a starter. Unfortunately for Browns fans, that last start came on Dec 24, 1988. Which in those days of no byes and no issue with Labor Day, was the first week of the playoffs.

Errol Morrall of the story? Follow KYPack's advice and hire Don Strock. He is only 59 years old.

P.S. The Browns played the Bears in the 1986 opener, the year after the Super Bowl shuffle and were taking the stuffing out of the Bears. You could pass on them if you had a Hall of Fame TE named Ozzie Newsome and your QB did not mind being horizontal. The Browns lost in Chicago, but not before demonstrating the worst trait of Instant Replay (new that year). On a kickoff or punt, the ball was batted into the endzone and two refs watched it roll out of bounds. AND THEY MADE NO CALL! They looked at one another and then went to find the Head Ref. He had to use the radio (no peep show booth then) to call upstairs to find out what should have been called on the field. Browns got the better of the call, but Replay was changed that week to avoid refs and umpires waiting for a decision from upstairs.

[Fosco33]

I didn't know that PS guys were only getting like $80K. Guess I'd leave if I were going to get a chance at playing and $300K more.

Tell me you would leave your current job to get a massive pay increase and a chance at a need-based promotion.