Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Grousing About 'Rats and Writers

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Grousing About 'Rats and Writers

    Just two Monday morning grumblings.

    First, in the thread on the loss of Al Harris, a couple of posters implied that Thompson has failed to stock the roster well enough with corners, and now the team is screwed. They point to the drafting of Pat Lee and the playing of Bush as examples in support.

    First, there's no way to tell how Lee would be playing had he not been put on IR. Maybe he'd be the dime back - it's impossible to say, really. Secondly, the team has lost Lee and Blackmon, so instead of having a 6th round rook out there, it might have been one or the other. Harris is not the first corner to go down; he's the third.

    It's as if people are blaming Thompson for not having pro-bowlers on the fourth string. Tramon Williams - the nickel now stepping in - is a high quality replacement for Harris. How many teams would have a nickel back as good as Williams to step in?

    My other issue has to do with Mike Vandermause's column, which severely tramples cause-and-effect with this passage:

    "One play after Kampman was carted to the locker room in the third quarter, the 49ers scored their first touchdown. Two plays after Harris went down in a heap early in the fourth quarter, the 49ers scored their second touchdown. On the next series, the 49ers scored another touchdown to turn what had been a 30-10 rout into a nail-biter.

    It was no coincidence the wheels came off the defensive wagon once Kampman and Harris departed."

    WTF? Uh, Mike - that play right after Kampman was carted off, the one you cite as an example of how "the wheels came off"? - you know, the touchdown? Uh, who was covering Crabtree on that route? Oh - Al Harris - the guy whose absence you cite as reason the Packers fell apart, along with Kampman's absence. What sloppy writing.

    If Vandermause had broken the play down and showed that the Niners picked specifically on Kampman's replacement for a t.d., you could say his absence caused a touchdown. Sure. But could you say much more than that without a deep analysis of how the Niners took advantage over the course of the rest of the game? No.

    What an easy, sloppy article - no real thought, no analysis, just some vague and general claims that abuse any real notion of cause and effect.

    There. I feel better now.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack

  • #2
    Here is what I can't stand.

    When the Vikings need an amazing TD throw by BF to beat SF at home they are AWESOME!

    When the Packers are winning the whole game and SF never had the ball with a chance to take the lead in the second half we SUCKED!

    Minnesota's schedule has looked a lot like ours. Only different MINN games BAL, PITT, and SEA. Packers have CHI, DAL and TB. They are the best team ever, we have played pansys and can't beat a good team.
    But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

    -Tim Harmston

    Comment


    • #3
      Vandermause, like most columnists, is simply required to take the three things that people will remember about the game (second half futility, Al Harris and Kampman's injury) and tie them together with a large red bow.

      In a way, he is like an unfrozen caveman, looking at a thunderstorm in the sky and believing that God is throwing lightning bolts down from the Heavens because he just stepped on a crack. This is how a narrative is born. Poppinga, Jones, Obiozor, Bush and Underwood would need to be elected to the Hall of Fame after THIS YEAR to avoid this story. Even if the Packers win the Super Bowl, this will be the defining moment.
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Grousing About 'Rats and Writers

        Originally posted by Fritz
        Just two Monday morning grumblings.
        Its not the morning anymore. Did you wake up hungover and miss work ?

        I didn't even see the article, but your point is valid.

        Comment


        • #5
          pacman jones is out there somewhere...waiting.












          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by gbgary
            pacman jones is out there somewhere...waiting.












            He has always reminded me of Andre Rison.
            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

            Comment


            • #7
              the kampman loss in a sick and twisted way was probably a good thing for the team. i mean a 6th round rook looks almost as good as he did if not better. he was just the wrong puzzle piece for the hole that we were trying to pound him into.

              now if we were still a 4-3 team it would be devastating

              the injury hurts because we lost 2 team leaders, 2 talented vets, and we lost any trade value kampman had this offseason

              they should have traded him before the deadline or before the season. TT dropped the ball on that as for as i'm concerned

              pat lee is still someone i'm intrigued by. i liked the little i've seen of him. but he seems to always get hurt. another 2nd round pick that we aren't getting much out of.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by red
                the kampman loss in a sick and twisted way was probably a good thing for the team. i mean a 6th round rook looks almost as good as he did if not better. he was just the wrong puzzle piece for the hole that we were trying to pound him into.

                now if we were still a 4-3 team it would be devastating

                the injury hurts because we lost 2 team leaders, 2 talented vets, and we lost any trade value kampman had this offseason

                they should have traded him before the deadline or before the season. TT dropped the ball on that as for as i'm concerned

                pat lee is still someone i'm intrigued by. i liked the little i've seen of him. but he seems to always get hurt. another 2nd round pick that we aren't getting much out of.
                I'm not trying to nitpick, but I was high on Jones after he last game. Now I'm not so sure. I tried to watch him on several plays after Kamp went out and each time he got completely stoned. The O-lineman stood him up and then they just stood there for the duration of the play. Kampman would have at least have attempted a couple moves in that time.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by sharpe1027
                  Originally posted by red
                  the kampman loss in a sick and twisted way was probably a good thing for the team. i mean a 6th round rook looks almost as good as he did if not better. he was just the wrong puzzle piece for the hole that we were trying to pound him into.

                  now if we were still a 4-3 team it would be devastating

                  the injury hurts because we lost 2 team leaders, 2 talented vets, and we lost any trade value kampman had this offseason

                  they should have traded him before the deadline or before the season. TT dropped the ball on that as for as i'm concerned

                  pat lee is still someone i'm intrigued by. i liked the little i've seen of him. but he seems to always get hurt. another 2nd round pick that we aren't getting much out of.
                  I'm not trying to nitpick, but I was high on Jones after he last game. Now I'm not so sure. I tried to watch him on several plays after Kamp went out and each time he got completely stoned. The O-lineman stood him up and then they just stood there for the duration of the play. Kampman would have at least have attempted a couple moves in that time.


                  He's not a pass rusher. Though Aaron wasn't a cover guy.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Grousing About 'Rats and Writers

                    Originally posted by Fritz
                    Just two Monday morning grumblings.

                    First, in the thread on the loss of Al Harris, a couple of posters implied that Thompson has failed to stock the roster well enough with corners, and now the team is screwed. They point to the drafting of Pat Lee and the playing of Bush as examples in support.

                    First, there's no way to tell how Lee would be playing had he not been put on IR. Maybe he'd be the dime back - it's impossible to say, really. Secondly, the team has lost Lee and Blackmon, so instead of having a 6th round rook out there, it might have been one or the other. Harris is not the first corner to go down; he's the third.

                    It's as if people are blaming Thompson for not having pro-bowlers on the fourth string. Tramon Williams - the nickel now stepping in - is a high quality replacement for Harris. How many teams would have a nickel back as good as Williams to step in?

                    My other issue has to do with Mike Vandermause's column, which severely tramples cause-and-effect with this passage:

                    "One play after Kampman was carted to the locker room in the third quarter, the 49ers scored their first touchdown. Two plays after Harris went down in a heap early in the fourth quarter, the 49ers scored their second touchdown. On the next series, the 49ers scored another touchdown to turn what had been a 30-10 rout into a nail-biter.

                    It was no coincidence the wheels came off the defensive wagon once Kampman and Harris departed."

                    WTF? Uh, Mike - that play right after Kampman was carted off, the one you cite as an example of how "the wheels came off"? - you know, the touchdown? Uh, who was covering Crabtree on that route? Oh - Al Harris - the guy whose absence you cite as reason the Packers fell apart, along with Kampman's absence. What sloppy writing.

                    If Vandermause had broken the play down and showed that the Niners picked specifically on Kampman's replacement for a t.d., you could say his absence caused a touchdown. Sure. But could you say much more than that without a deep analysis of how the Niners took advantage over the course of the rest of the game? No.

                    What an easy, sloppy article - no real thought, no analysis, just some vague and general claims that abuse any real notion of cause and effect.

                    There. I feel better now.
                    Procedure for analyzing anything:

                    1. Is it Packer related? Go to step 7
                    2. Study any background information
                    3. Research - gather data and statistics
                    4. Discuss with knowledgeable people
                    5. Draw conclusions from critical review and analysis of information/data
                    6. If not Packer related go to step 8
                    7. Blame it on TT as he is a terrible GM bent on destroying the Packers. He ran a HOF QB and the greatest NFL player ever out of town because he has a huge ego and refuses to spend any money. And he is gay.
                    8. Present conclusions

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                      He's not a pass rusher. Though Aaron wasn't a cover guy.
                      I thought I had read that he was supposed to have decent pass-rushing skills and that his coverage was only "solid". If he's not a pass-rusher, where does that leave him?

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sharpe1027
                        Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                        He's not a pass rusher. Though Aaron wasn't a cover guy.
                        I thought I had read that he was supposed to have decent pass-rushing skills and that his coverage was only "solid". If he's not a pass-rusher, where does that leave him?

                        I've only watched him on a couple of plays, but didn't notice any rush to speak of. Maybe I just need to see more of the guy.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                          Originally posted by sharpe1027
                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                          He's not a pass rusher. Though Aaron wasn't a cover guy.
                          I thought I had read that he was supposed to have decent pass-rushing skills and that his coverage was only "solid". If he's not a pass-rusher, where does that leave him?

                          I've only watched him on a couple of plays, but didn't notice any rush to speak of. Maybe I just need to see more of the guy.
                          Yeah, that's what I saw. I'm just not sure he's outstanding in coverage, or against the run either. Basically, right now I'm not sure he's much of anything except a good 40 time.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sharpe1027
                            Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                            Originally posted by sharpe1027
                            Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                            He's not a pass rusher. Though Aaron wasn't a cover guy.
                            I thought I had read that he was supposed to have decent pass-rushing skills and that his coverage was only "solid". If he's not a pass-rusher, where does that leave him?

                            I've only watched him on a couple of plays, but didn't notice any rush to speak of. Maybe I just need to see more of the guy.
                            Yeah, that's what I saw. I'm just not sure he's outstanding in coverage, or against the run either. Basically, right now I'm not sure he's much of anything except a good 40 time.
                            He had a very good game against Dallas as a first time starter.
                            But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

                            -Tim Harmston

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ThunderDan
                              He had a very good game against Dallas as a first time starter.
                              Yeah, that's why I thought well of him after that game. I'm just not sure after making an effort to watch him and then being disappointed with what I saw. Of course I'm not a scout/expert by any means.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X