Grousing About 'Rats and Writers

[ThunderDan]

He had a very good game against Dallas as a first time starter.

Yeah, that's why I thought well of him after that game. I'm just not sure after making an effort to watch him and then being disappointed with what I saw. Of course I'm not a scout/expert by any means.

I really couldn't tell you either. Switching to the 3-4 has made watching the Packer D more difficult this year. Players "may" do more than one thing during the play unlike Mr. Sander's D.

[bobblehead]

the kampman loss in a sick and twisted way was probably a good thing for the team. i mean a 6th round rook looks almost as good as he did if not better. he was just the wrong puzzle piece for the hole that we were trying to pound him into.

now if we were still a 4-3 team it would be devastating

the injury hurts because we lost 2 team leaders, 2 talented vets, and we lost any trade value kampman had this offseason

they should have traded him before the deadline or before the season. TT dropped the ball on that as for as i'm concerned

pat lee is still someone i'm intrigued by. i liked the little i've seen of him. but he seems to always get hurt. another 2nd round pick that we aren't getting much out of.

I think you underestimate Kampman...although I think with Jones in there we gameplan him more for coverage and get to blitz the other LB's. Kamp was still the best LB/player we had as far as pressuring the QB goes. He has a multitude of moves and NEVER gets stonewalled. By the 3 count he always moved his man into the QB's face.

[bobblehead]

Here is what I can't stand.

When the Vikings need an amazing TD throw by BF to beat SF at home they are AWESOME!

When the Packers are winning the whole game and SF never had the ball with a chance to take the lead in the second half we SUCKED!

Minnesota's schedule has looked a lot like ours. Only different MINN games BAL, PITT, and SEA. Packers have CHI, DAL and TB. They are the best team ever, we have played pansys and can't beat a good team.

Let me explain it to you Dan...the pack really is horrible...should be 0-10 right now.

Chicago...we didn't win, they lost, the ridiculous fake punt call...Cutler throwing 4 picks...they gave us the game.

Detroit, St. Louis and Cleveland...please, they are simply so bad it doesn't count.

The cowboys showed that we just got lucky and caught them when their offense isn't clicking...this is evident by the fact they only got 7 points against Washington...and Washington sucks, therefore Dallas sucks, therefore the win doesn't count.

The niners are in disarray...sure, this was a must win for them, but they lost 4? straight....they might have been good early, but they are playing badly now...and we still let them back in the game....conclusion, the win doesn't count as anyone would have beaten San Fran this week.

so ultimately we are an 0-10 team!!!

[Scott Campbell]

Here is what I can't stand.

When the Vikings need an amazing TD throw by BF to beat SF at home they are AWESOME!

When the Packers are winning the whole game and SF never had the ball with a chance to take the lead in the second half we SUCKED!

Minnesota's schedule has looked a lot like ours. Only different MINN games BAL, PITT, and SEA. Packers have CHI, DAL and TB. They are the best team ever, we have played pansys and can't beat a good team.

Let me explain it to you Dan...the pack really is horrible...should be 0-10 right now.

Chicago...we didn't win, they lost, the ridiculous fake punt call...Cutler throwing 4 picks...they gave us the game.

Detroit, St. Louis and Cleveland...please, they are simply so bad it doesn't count.

The cowboys showed that we just got lucky and caught them when their offense isn't clicking...this is evident by the fact they only got 7 points against Washington...and Washington sucks, therefore Dallas sucks, therefore the win doesn't count.

The niners are in disarray...sure, this was a must win for them, but they lost 4? straight....they might have been good early, but they are playing badly now...and we still let them back in the game....conclusion, the win doesn't count as anyone would have beaten San Fran this week.

so ultimately we are an 0-10 team!!!

I see you've gone to the wist school of motivational speaking.

[Administrator]

I don't think you can lose players of Kampman's and Harris' stature and not have it hurt the team. That is impossible.

We've got enough linebackers that we can probably withstand the loss of Kampman. We did not really miss him against Dallas, which I found surprising.

Harris might be a different story. Williams played well when Harris was out with the spleen, so there is hope, but the nickel corner position just got weakened. How much remains to be seen.

[SnakeLH2006]

I don't think you can lose players of Kampman's and Harris' stature and not have it hurt the team. That is impossible.

We've got enough linebackers that we can probably withstand the loss of Kampman. We did not really miss him against Dallas, which I found surprising.

Harris might be a different story. Williams played well when Harris was out with the spleen, so there is hope, but the nickel corner position just got weakened. How much remains to be seen.

QFT. That's exactly what I've been saying lately, too. '

Both are great locker room leaders, but Kampy's value has been negated with the position change and the amount of LB's we have with different, yet special skillsets to throw out there. TWill (might) could hold his own at CB given the matchups week to week...but having to rely on an already questionable nickel-dime depth chart (Jarrett Bush, Underwood, etc.) is where the questions start and the fingernail chewing begins come Turkey Day.

[bobblehead]

I don't think you can lose players of Kampman's and Harris' stature and not have it hurt the team. That is impossible.

We've got enough linebackers that we can probably withstand the loss of Kampman. We did not really miss him against Dallas, which I found surprising.

Harris might be a different story. Williams played well when Harris was out with the spleen, so there is hope, but the nickel corner position just got weakened. How much remains to be seen.

I think we are going to notice Harris big time because we already lost Lee and Blackman. We are basically playing our 6th CB in the nickel and our 7th in the dime. Bush is god awful in coverage, and Underwood is completely untested. Hopefully Dom brings the hounds and doesn't give any QB time to throw the rest of the way.....unfortunately we lost our best pass rusher as well

[ThunderDan]

I don't think you can lose players of Kampman's and Harris' stature and not have it hurt the team. That is impossible.

We've got enough linebackers that we can probably withstand the loss of Kampman. We did not really miss him against Dallas, which I found surprising.

Harris might be a different story. Williams played well when Harris was out with the spleen, so there is hope, but the nickel corner position just got weakened. How much remains to be seen.

QFT. That's exactly what I've been saying lately, too. '

Both are great locker room leaders, but Kampy's value has been negated with the position change and the amount of LB's we have with different, yet special skillsets to throw out there. TWill (might) could hold his own at CB given the matchups week to week...but having to rely on an already questionable nickel-dime depth chart (Jarrett Bush, Underwood, etc.) is where the questions start and the fingernail chewing begins come Turkey Day.

It won't be Turkey Day but the Monday night game against Baltimore.

[Fritz]

I don't think you can lose players of Kampman's and Harris' stature and not have it hurt the team. That is impossible.

We've got enough linebackers that we can probably withstand the loss of Kampman. We did not really miss him against Dallas, which I found surprising.

Harris might be a different story. Williams played well when Harris was out with the spleen, so there is hope, but the nickel corner position just got weakened. How much remains to be seen.

The team will miss them both, no doubt. But as someone pointed out, when the Giants went on their run they had lost a couple players but backups stepped up. We can hope it happens here. We'll see what Jones & the corners can do.

[MJZiggy]

Re: Grousing About 'Rats and Writers

My other issue has to do with Mike Vandermause's column, which severely tramples cause-and-effect with this passage:

"One play after Kampman was carted to the locker room in the third quarter, the 49ers scored their first touchdown. Two plays after Harris went down in a heap early in the fourth quarter, the 49ers scored their second touchdown. On the next series, the 49ers scored another touchdown to turn what had been a 30-10 rout into a nail-biter.

It was no coincidence the wheels came off the defensive wagon once Kampman and Harris departed."


What an easy, sloppy article - no real thought, no analysis, just some vague and general claims that abuse any real notion of cause and effect.

There. I feel better now.

You can actually make logical sense out of his argument (though I haven't rewatched the plays to be sure) by saying that Smith didn't perform well during the game because he had Kampman in his face all day, and as soon as Kampman is out of the way and the pressure off he connects. And it goes without saying that as soon as Al Harris is out of the game, the Niners are going to have an easier time with the long ball. Too bad the doofus didn't even think through his own logic. And maybe double check the play to make sure that's what actually happened. I should have gone into sports writing.

[Fritz]

Re: Grousing About 'Rats and Writers

My other issue has to do with Mike Vandermause's column, which severely tramples cause-and-effect with this passage:

"One play after Kampman was carted to the locker room in the third quarter, the 49ers scored their first touchdown. Two plays after Harris went down in a heap early in the fourth quarter, the 49ers scored their second touchdown. On the next series, the 49ers scored another touchdown to turn what had been a 30-10 rout into a nail-biter.

It was no coincidence the wheels came off the defensive wagon once Kampman and Harris departed."


What an easy, sloppy article - no real thought, no analysis, just some vague and general claims that abuse any real notion of cause and effect.

There. I feel better now.

You can actually make logical sense out of his argument (though I haven't rewatched the plays to be sure) by saying that Smith didn't perform well during the game because he had Kampman in his face all day, and as soon as Kampman is out of the way and the pressure off he connects. And it goes without saying that as soon as Al Harris is out of the game, the Niners are going to have an easier time with the long ball. Too bad the doofus didn't even think through his own logic. And maybe double check the play to make sure that's what actually happened. I should have gone into sports writing.

You could be pals with Greg Bedard!

As for your argument you'd have to be able to show that Kampman was getting specific pressure on the specific type of play on which the touchdown was scored.

But no.

[Rastak]

Here is what I can't stand.

When the Vikings need an amazing TD throw by BF to beat SF at home they are AWESOME!

When the Packers are winning the whole game and SF never had the ball with a chance to take the lead in the second half we SUCKED!

Minnesota's schedule has looked a lot like ours. Only different MINN games BAL, PITT, and SEA. Packers have CHI, DAL and TB. They are the best team ever, we have played pansys and can't beat a good team.

What I can't stand is the fact that nobody mentions the Niners got a 10 point swing with seconds left in the half when they blocked a kick (good play) and the ball bounced right into someones arms so he could house it. Nobody mentions that was the only reason they even had the lead at the end.

[MJZiggy]

Re: Grousing About 'Rats and Writers

My other issue has to do with Mike Vandermause's column, which severely tramples cause-and-effect with this passage:

"One play after Kampman was carted to the locker room in the third quarter, the 49ers scored their first touchdown. Two plays after Harris went down in a heap early in the fourth quarter, the 49ers scored their second touchdown. On the next series, the 49ers scored another touchdown to turn what had been a 30-10 rout into a nail-biter.

It was no coincidence the wheels came off the defensive wagon once Kampman and Harris departed."


What an easy, sloppy article - no real thought, no analysis, just some vague and general claims that abuse any real notion of cause and effect.

There. I feel better now.

You can actually make logical sense out of his argument (though I haven't rewatched the plays to be sure) by saying that Smith didn't perform well during the game because he had Kampman in his face all day, and as soon as Kampman is out of the way and the pressure off he connects. And it goes without saying that as soon as Al Harris is out of the game, the Niners are going to have an easier time with the long ball. Too bad the doofus didn't even think through his own logic. And maybe double check the play to make sure that's what actually happened. I should have gone into sports writing.

You could be pals with Greg Bedard!

As for your argument you'd have to be able to show that Kampman was getting specific pressure on the specific type of play on which the touchdown was scored.

But no.

I don't see the Bedard thing happening. No what? (my argument was that the argument could be made if say, someone were paying you to write good sports stories and when you bothered to research the theory, it held)

[Fritz]

No Vandermause doing the work it would require to make the argument he tossed out there.

[ThunderDan]

Here is what I can't stand.

When the Vikings need an amazing TD throw by BF to beat SF at home they are AWESOME!

When the Packers are winning the whole game and SF never had the ball with a chance to take the lead in the second half we SUCKED!

Minnesota's schedule has looked a lot like ours. Only different MINN games BAL, PITT, and SEA. Packers have CHI, DAL and TB. They are the best team ever, we have played pansys and can't beat a good team.

What I can't stand is the fact that nobody mentions the Niners got a 10 point swing with seconds left in the half when they blocked a kick (good play) and the ball bounced right into someones arms so he could house it. Nobody mentions that was the only reason they even had the lead at the end.

Once again it did happen!!

If that would of happened we wouldn't have had to watch that clip over and over also.