Mason Crosby - let's look at details.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Crosby is OK. Stubby needs to think carefully about kicking those long FGs versus pinning the other team back and playing D. If anything, the Packers need a decent punter who can directionally kick or has a better ability to down it inside the 15 (improving the teams guys who down the ball couldn't hurt either).

Bingo!!!

I don't have the statistics, but bad field position has killed the Pack this year, especially in big games, and it's not just one play. It carries over to the next few series.

I really do think it's a Stubby mindset: he's not a patient coach. I knows he has weapons and he can't resist using them no matter the situation.

He really needs someone on the sidelines with him who can shout real loud into his ear: "DON'T SHOOT UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THEIR EYES!"

[Bretsky]

I am all for the Packers drafting a punter if a good one is available. Like, fifth round good. Maybe fourth, even.

But not third, no.

Take a look at drafted punters and how they are doing. The last few drafts of punters have not been pretty.

There is no point in wasting a draft pick on a punter. I agree with Ted's methods, but it is going to take time. If there is a good one available as a UFA, by all means, otherwise, bring in a few for tryouts, keep the best one or two (plus the existing punter) through minicamps, settle on the best two for TC, cut the worst after the first week. And live with it. That was a huge blunder to replace Ryan the way he did. The way we challenged Kaps this year is the right way to do it. It might take a few years, but eventually you will get a good one this way.

What about the guy from U Cincy ? Kevin Huber .....I think was his name. Strong leg/lefty. I thought he was doing pretty well and tabbed him as a great pick for TTT well before the draft.

I think if we end up employing that same strategy in all probability we'll be stuck with a sub par one for a while. I'm all for the free agency but we might have to overpay to get one in Green Bay. Of course, as I've stated over and over again...with the cap as it is it's alright to overpay in free agency. You fail when you choose the wrong guy...not overpay.

This was exactly the punter I was going to mention. Huber is a rookie and rookie punters are notoriously streaky - but so is Kapinos. I think Huber is punting better than Kaps and has more upside.

I haven't researched the punters coming out this year, but if one is out there who is worth a pick, do it. We can afford one less Jamon Meredith type - even a Desmond Bishop type - in exchange for a punter who can develop. And of course you can also bring in FA's in the meantime.

Huber has a much stronger leg that Kapinos..who IMO...have very limited upsaide. I think Cincy snapped him up in the fifth a few picks before us if my memory serves me right.

I'd take him for a draft pick; I'd take a 7th round draft pick if anybody wanted Kapinos because IMO there's just as good available. Maybe not much better...but just as good

[Smidgeon]

Despite his deece stats as a kicker, McFatty has lost confidence lately with him in FG chances. That's fair, as Crosby is deece stats wise, but not clutch at all.

He's not clutch yet. Kickers don't come in and just be clutch. It took Longwell several seasons before he really started being consistent in the clutch. Crosby's just a young kicker. I'll take practically automatic 45 yards or less and deal with the rest.

[channtheman]

Despite his deece stats as a kicker, McFatty has lost confidence lately with him in FG chances. That's fair, as Crosby is deece stats wise, but not clutch at all.

He's not clutch yet. Kickers don't come in and just be clutch. It took Longwell several seasons before he really started being consistent in the clutch. Crosby's just a young kicker. I'll take practically automatic 45 yards or less and deal with the rest.

And you know Crosby has shown that he can be clutch too. His rookie year and his first game he came through big time with some huge kicks in crappy weather against the Eagles to win a game.

[Smidgeon]

Despite his deece stats as a kicker, McFatty has lost confidence lately with him in FG chances. That's fair, as Crosby is deece stats wise, but not clutch at all.

He's not clutch yet. Kickers don't come in and just be clutch. It took Longwell several seasons before he really started being consistent in the clutch. Crosby's just a young kicker. I'll take practically automatic 45 yards or less and deal with the rest.

And you know Crosby has shown that he can be clutch too. His rookie year and his first game he came through big time with some huge kicks in crappy weather against the Eagles to win a game.

+1

He just hasn't been consistent in the clutch. Yeah, he has the potential and has flashed. He's a young player. I'd be more worried if he hadn't flashed at all...

[channtheman]

Despite his deece stats as a kicker, McFatty has lost confidence lately with him in FG chances. That's fair, as Crosby is deece stats wise, but not clutch at all.

He's not clutch yet. Kickers don't come in and just be clutch. It took Longwell several seasons before he really started being consistent in the clutch. Crosby's just a young kicker. I'll take practically automatic 45 yards or less and deal with the rest.

And you know Crosby has shown that he can be clutch too. His rookie year and his first game he came through big time with some huge kicks in crappy weather against the Eagles to win a game.

+1

He just hasn't been consistent in the clutch. Yeah, he has the potential and has flashed. He's a young player. I'd be more worried if he hadn't flashed at all...

Exactly. I just think right now his confidence might be low. I've got nothing to back that up, but lets let him and his career play out a little bit longer.

It seems like us Packer fans have experience greatness at a lot of positions that when we hand the reins over we are far too critical far too soon. Let's let these young guys play a little bit and see what happens.

[3irty1]

How can anyone gather that MM is losing confidence in Crosby? He attempts a 45+ seemingly every game, that doesn't seem like losing confidence to me.

[channtheman]

How can anyone gather that MM is losing confidence in Crosby? He attempts a 45+ seemingly every game, that doesn't seem like losing confidence to me.

I would say going for it instead of kicking a 49 yard field goal is losing confidence.

[The Leaper]

I would say going for it instead of kicking a 49 yard field goal is losing confidence.

Especially when 3 points there puts you up 2 scores...same as a TD.

[Fosco33]

(Mason missed another kick, a shorter one this time. Are you concerned about his accuracy?)
I have confidence in Mason Crosby. Obviously you want him to make every kick. We've been very aggressive with our approach as far as taking chances outside the 50-yard line and so forth. To answer your question, I'm not concerned about that. I thought as a whole in the game against Detroit, our special teams needs to play with a little more confidence. We had the opening kickoff that we fumbled, and I felt from that point on we were playing a little cautious. We just need to clean up some fundamentals and play with the confidence we were playing with against Dallas and San Francisco. I kind of saw that as a common thread through our special teams in the Detroit game, and we'll definitely get that done this week in practice.

(Did his earlier miss affect your decision to go for it on fourth-and-3?)
No, it did not. You plan both sides of that play call, whether you go for it. Fourth-and-4 or less is something I felt very confident going into the game, as far as from a game plan standpoint. Got the defense we anticipated in that particular situation. I just felt that we were moving the ball very productively, especially I think it was the first seven series of the game, we were moving the ball up and down. I just didn't feel we were producing enough points, and I wanted to keep it going. That had nothing to do with Mason's kick earlier in the game.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Apparently quite a bit of "bush league" kickers in the league.

Matt Stover: Bush league
Stephen Gostowski: bush league
John Carney: Bush league
Jason Elam: Bush league

[channtheman]

Apparently quite a bit of "bush league" kickers in the league.

Matt Stover: Bush league
Stephen Gostowski: bush league
John Carney: Bush league
Jason Elam: Bush league

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