Ref's screwing us less

[mngolf19]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

Oh you're certainly right there. 10 less drops, better pass defense and a competent kicker would have beaten the PIT+refs team. There were bad and no calls each way, but the timing of each and magnitude was not the same. Did you see Rodgers get drilled with helmet to helmet? No one put an illegal shot like that on Roethlisberger

The helmet to helmet is hard to say. In the last slo mo they showed the initial contact into AR's chest and then slide up into his chin. Now the question would be, is that helmet to helmet based on the rule? I don't know but could see it considered either way.

Leading with your helmet no matter where you hit is 15 yards!!

Isn't that only on QBs or WRs that are defenseless? No way you see a RB running the ball and getting hit with a helmet first called for a penalty.

[ThunderDan]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

Weren't you the Viking fan screaming a few weeks ago that you were 1 leg-whip ref screw job away from a perfect season so far?

Screaming no. I mentioned that Dungy thought it was a bad call. And therefore an "objective" source thought that might have cost the Vikes. And that was in the context of saying that refs make bad/non calls for all teams, not just the Pack. I still say the Vikes needed to overcome that.

So now that the NFL network has mention we got screwed twice, can we continue our bitching?

[ThunderDan]

Guys after watching this game, there were alot of bad/non calls both ways in my opinion. And it's not the reason you lost. Gotta stop with the "refs are screwing us" and just realize that all teams have to deal with it along with the Pack's tendency to get penalized anyway. I've seen few games this year where there was a cleanly reffed game all the way through. Gotta overcome it.

Oh you're certainly right there. 10 less drops, better pass defense and a competent kicker would have beaten the PIT+refs team. There were bad and no calls each way, but the timing of each and magnitude was not the same. Did you see Rodgers get drilled with helmet to helmet? No one put an illegal shot like that on Roethlisberger

The helmet to helmet is hard to say. In the last slo mo they showed the initial contact into AR's chest and then slide up into his chin. Now the question would be, is that helmet to helmet based on the rule? I don't know but could see it considered either way.

Leading with your helmet no matter where you hit is 15 yards!!

Isn't that only on QBs or WRs that are defenseless? No way you see a RB running the ball and getting hit with a helmet first called for a penalty.

It's called spearing!

[mngolf19]

So now that the NFL network has mention we got screwed twice, can we continue our bitching?

Well didn't you say the last word was the NFL office? If they call it bad, then... But unless we're all going to complain to the commisioner's office and they take action on it, we're all going to have to overcome it.

[mngolf19]

It's called spearing!

You'll never see spearing called unless the player is on the ground or was held up by another player. It probably is more about intent at this point than just leading with your helmet. Which then becomes a judgement call.

[sharpe1027]

The helmet to helmet is hard to say. In the last slo mo they showed the initial contact into AR's chest and then slide up into his chin. Now the question would be, is that helmet to helmet based on the rule? I don't know but could see it considered either way.

Not hard to say:

Using any part of a player’s helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily; although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protect those players who are in virtually defenseless postures.

What about the first helmet-lead tackle/no-call that happened only a few plays earlier?

[mngolf19]

The helmet to helmet is hard to say. In the last slo mo they showed the initial contact into AR's chest and then slide up into his chin. Now the question would be, is that helmet to helmet based on the rule? I don't know but could see it considered either way.

Not hard to say:

Using any part of a player’s helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily; although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protect those players who are in virtually defenseless postures.

What about the first helmet-lead tackle/no-call that happened only a few plays earlier?

So based on that I would agree it should have been called.

[sharpe1027]

So based on that I would agree it should have been called.

Pretty much. It should be called in other instances too, like you mentioned, but they give more leeway when a RB or WR is in full-stride or juking and the defender is trying to tackle them. When a QB is just standing in the pocket and taking the hit, there's not as much of an excuse.

[Fritz]

We used to go spearing pike in the ditches by our house when I grew up.

[mngolf19]

We used to go spearing pike in the ditches by our house when I grew up.

Did anyone drown?

[Cheesehead Craig]

We used to go spearing pike in the ditches by our house when I grew up.

Did the DNR make some bad calls when they came by to see what you were doing?

[Fritz]

The DNR accepted it as a fact of life in St. Clair County.

[Fosco33]

Had this debate in the game thread. Some questionable calls both ways - but they were consistent. The non-calls on QB hits were good (both ways).

Refs are always harsher on Def holding than Oline holding. For a few reasons (there's a clear buffer, it's one-one generally and in the wide open ; rather than a 1 on 2 in a mass of 10-12 players on a line). Plus I think the NFL just wants more offensive production. If they wanted to - they could call holding on most every play.

Packers had 4 or 5 chances to end that game before Jolly/Jenkins no hold calls on the last drive.

[bobblehead]

We used to go spearing pike in the ditches by our house when I grew up.

Did anyone drown?

or get fined?

[LEWCWA]

I hate to go here, but with the NBA in the state they are in, I don't have much faith that any of this shit is on the up and up. Just too much money involved! If it goes on in the NFL, this game stinks to high heavan.