Holmgren meets with Browns for 2d day

[Scott Campbell]

Holy crap - that does look just like Ray Rhodes!

[hoosier]

Talk about not aging well.

[Carolina_Packer]

Yeah, I don't understand Cleveland thinking that bringing in Holmgren is going to solve their football operations woes. Granted, he wore both hats in Seattle before he was stripped of his GM duties, but they shouldn't forget that he was. He's a better coach than overall talent evaluator, and I'd be surprised if Seattle hired him back as GM. Given the state of the Browns, pehpaps this is an OK move. They can't be any worse right now, but I have my doubts about Holmgren being the football czar there.

[Badgerinmaine]

The Seahawks made Holmgren an offer to come back, but he turned them down:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12684014/holmgren-declines-offer-to-rejoin-seahawks

[sheepshead]

Done deal in Cleveland per Florio. Good luck to the Browns...

[Cheesehead Craig]

Yeah, I don't understand Cleveland thinking that bringing in Holmgren is going to solve their football operations woes. Granted, he wore both hats in Seattle before he was stripped of his GM duties, but they shouldn't forget that he was. He's a better coach than overall talent evaluator, and I'd be surprised if Seattle hired him back as GM. Given the state of the Browns, pehpaps this is an OK move. They can't be any worse right now, but I have my doubts about Holmgren being the football czar there.

If nothing else, he's a big upgrade over what they have there now. I think the drafting there got better and even if he has issues wearing the dual hat, he can coach and develop QBs which is the main area of shittiness on that team right now.

[cheesner]

Yeah, I don't understand Cleveland thinking that bringing in Holmgren is going to solve their football operations woes. Granted, he wore both hats in Seattle before he was stripped of his GM duties, but they shouldn't forget that he was. He's a better coach than overall talent evaluator, and I'd be surprised if Seattle hired him back as GM. Given the state of the Browns, pehpaps this is an OK move. They can't be any worse right now, but I have my doubts about Holmgren being the football czar there.

If nothing else, he's a big upgrade over what they have there now. I think the drafting there got better and even if he has issues wearing the dual hat, he can coach and develop QBs which is the main area of shittiness on that team right now.

I am not sure how Holmgrem sitting behind a desk is going to help the QB development.

Personally, I think Holmgrem is over rated as a GM. I am predicting mediocrity for the Browns for the tenure of Holmgrem as their GM.

[swede]

...I am predicting mediocrity for the Browns...

As long as we're going out on limbs I'd like to suggest that Matt Millen will not be considered for the job of assistant GM in Cleveland.

[Badgerinmaine]

Here it is: Mike Holmgren's taking the Cleveland Browns team president job, but will not serve as head coach:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/12/report_mike_holmgren_not_comin.html

I wish him well in turning around a classic NFL franchise that has had a rocky road since returning to the league.

[Badgerinmaine]

This is what I was trying to post--for some reason it came out blank (and in spite of the url name, Mike Holmgren IS taking the job as team president but will not coach the team):

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/12/report_mike_holmgren_not_comin.html

I wish him well turning around a great historic franchise that has mostly been awful since returning to the league in 1999.

[sheepshead]

Yeah, I don't understand Cleveland thinking that bringing in Holmgren is going to solve their football operations woes. Granted, he wore both hats in Seattle before he was stripped of his GM duties, but they shouldn't forget that he was. He's a better coach than overall talent evaluator, and I'd be surprised if Seattle hired him back as GM. Given the state of the Browns, pehpaps this is an OK move. They can't be any worse right now, but I have my doubts about Holmgren being the football czar there.

If nothing else, he's a big upgrade over what they have there now. I think the drafting there got better and even if he has issues wearing the dual hat, he can coach and develop QBs which is the main area of shittiness on that team right now.

I am not sure how Holmgrem sitting behind a desk is going to help the QB development.

Personally, I think Holmgrem is over rated as a GM. I am predicting mediocrity for the Browns for the tenure of Holmgrem as their GM.

Over rated? No he is rated just right. He sucked. He failed miserably. He was fired.

[KYPack]

Holmy might be able to do a President job. He knows what not to do now. He will hire a GM and a coach and let them hang if they don't do the job.

He has two models to follow. The Parcells model and the Millen model.

Big Bill hired a coach and GM and drove 'em mercilessly. Millen acted as the de facto GM and hired a bunch of coaches. His poor drafts insured Det would never make it.

Holmy is a smart guy and knows he is no GM/talent guru. This is his chance to work from the top. He gets his coach and GM and let's them take the fall. If anything, he gets a fat retirement and secures his place on the game.

I think he is nuts. Cleveland is a tough place to live for a West Coaster.

[sheepshead]

I agree this is anything but a match made in heaven. The biggest thing in Cleveland beside Jim Browns ego will be the over-rated blowhards.