Better overall situation (Vikings or Packers)

[mngolf19]

The Pack looks to be the team to beat the next few years. MN is staring down the gun of mediocre. QB will be a ?, their Williams wall is getting older, OL looks bad, EJ will probably never be the same(not saying much since this was his only good year). Pack has a great young front 7, and well Woodson is the only codger in the backfield....Pack has 4 recievers that would start for MN. The only place they beat us is with AP as far as I can tell. Oh wait, they may have a better punter than we do!

OL worse than Pack? Pack has 4 receivers that would start for MN?

[mraynrand]

EJ will probably never be the same(not saying much since this was his only good year). !

Not exactly. Henderson has been a high quality MLB. That was a huge loss for the Vikings

[Cheesehead Craig]

EJ will probably never be the same(not saying much since this was his only good year). !

Not exactly. Henderson has been a high quality MLB. That was a huge loss for the Vikings

True. EJ was playing at a high level last year and this year before getting hurt.

Thanks for the updates on the Vikes ages mngolf. They are younger than I thought.

[Fritz]

NcKinnie's only 30? Wow. I don't know why, but I thought he was a more-than-grizzled vet.

I would say the Packers' organization is stronger. Though both seem to have good draft evaluators and cap people (two of what I think are the most important assets to have), the lack of fan support in Minnesota makes the team's future a bit cloudy (new stadium? Move? How much money do they lose?).

In other words, even if you're a Minny fan and you feel good about this season and next, you might be a bit unnerved when you hear about the team's financial situation.

Talent-wise, both teams are strong but I think the GB quarterback position is stronger, if for no other reason than Minnesota's quarterback is in his last year...or two...or three. We think. And I like Matt Flynn better than Tavaris Jackson or Sage Rosenfels.

Peterson is incredible but I wonder how much pounding he can take. Grant seems the steady type on a pass-first team.

[Pugger]

The Packers - mainly because they are set for the foreseeable future at the most important position in pro-football = QB. MN might get one more year out of the old man but after that they will still be searching for their franchise QB. If #4 decides to return for one more year after MN gets bounced out of the playoffs yet again would Sage stick around? When is Jackson's contract up? Would he stay and play for Chilly after the Ancient one retired for good? Thank God we don't have those issues. Thanks Ted!

[Bretsky]

.Pack has 4 recievers that would start for MN. The only place they beat us is with AP as far as I can tell. Oh wait, they may have a better punter than we do!

Strongly disagree

Their #3 WR is probably more talented than our #3 or #4.

Sydney Rice is close to Jennings; could argue either way
Bernard Berrion is close to Driver
Harvin is as good or better then Jones or Nelson

[mngolf19]

The Packers - mainly because they are set for the foreseeable future at the most important position in pro-football = QB. MN might get one more year out of the old man but after that they will still be searching for their franchise QB. If #4 decides to return for one more year after MN gets bounced out of the playoffs yet again would Sage stick around? When is Jackson's contract up? Would he stay and play for Chilly after the Ancient one retired for good? Thank God we don't have those issues. Thanks Ted!

I think this is Jackson's last year, although he could be stuck for another with the union contract up. Sage is signed for 2 more years after this. And I doubt he goes somewhere else if the opp for starter is here after Favre.

[Smidgeon]

.Pack has 4 recievers that would start for MN. The only place they beat us is with AP as far as I can tell. Oh wait, they may have a better punter than we do!

Strongly disagree

Their #3 WR is probably more talented than our #3 or #4.

Sydney Rice is close to Jennings; could argue either way
Bernard Berrion is close to Driver
Harvin is as good or better then Jones or Nelson

I think you're both drinking Kool-aid, but of opposite colors.
* Rice isn't close to Jennings but Favre's making him look good this year. DC's and other teams scouts say Jennings is who scares them the most about the Pack. Fitzgerald says he studies Jennings to get better. Hear anyone say anything like that about Rice?
* Berrion and Driver are different types of receivers and aren't an apples-to-apples comparison. Berrion's a deep threat and Driver has great body control and his first five steps are ridiculously good but isn't a deep threat.
* I agree that Harvin is better than Jones (because Jones is so frustratingly inconsistent), but I think as a WR Nelson is close enough to Harvin (though the nod goes to Harvin who gets more opportunities because the Pack throws to Finley more and Harvin makes the best of said opportunities) to make it nearly negligible in a discussion on WRs. Throw in other duties such as kickoff return and the wildcat nonsense and Harvin wins by a long shot without a discussion.
* I don't even know who the Vike's #4 is, so I'll take GB's #4 (whoever it is) there just because of familiarity.

[Bretsky]

.Pack has 4 recievers that would start for MN. The only place they beat us is with AP as far as I can tell. Oh wait, they may have a better punter than we do!

Strongly disagree

Their #3 WR is probably more talented than our #3 or #4.

Sydney Rice is close to Jennings; could argue either way
Bernard Berrion is close to Driver
Harvin is as good or better then Jones or Nelson

I think you're both drinking Kool-aid, but of opposite colors.
* Rice isn't close to Jennings but Favre's making him look good this year. DC's and other teams scouts say Jennings is who scares them the most about the Pack. Fitzgerald says he studies Jennings to get better. Hear anyone say anything like that about Rice?
* Berrion and Driver are different types of receivers and aren't an apples-to-apples comparison. Berrion's a deep threat and Driver has great body control and his first five steps are ridiculously good but isn't a deep threat.
* I agree that Harvin is better than Jones (because Jones is so frustratingly inconsistent), but I think as a WR Nelson is close enough to Harvin (though the nod goes to Harvin who gets more opportunities because the Pack throws to Finley more and Harvin makes the best of said opportunities) to make it nearly negligible in a discussion on WRs. Throw in other duties such as kickoff return and the wildcat nonsense and Harvin wins by a long shot without a discussion.
* I don't even know who the Vike's #4 is, so I'll take GB's #4 (whoever it is) there just because of familiarity.

That Fitz comment is getting blown out of proportion. I read it as Fitz wanting to get better at YAC. Fitz is way better than Jennings

I have no idea who the Vikes #4 WR is either so I'm assuming the Pack has a huge edge there

[Pugger]

The Packers - mainly because they are set for the foreseeable future at the most important position in pro-football = QB. MN might get one more year out of the old man but after that they will still be searching for their franchise QB. If #4 decides to return for one more year after MN gets bounced out of the playoffs yet again would Sage stick around? When is Jackson's contract up? Would he stay and play for Chilly after the Ancient one retired for good? Thank God we don't have those issues. Thanks Ted!

I think this is Jackson's last year, although he could be stuck for another with the union contract up. Sage is signed for 2 more years after this. And I doubt he goes somewhere else if the opp for starter is here after Favre.

Ok, thanks. I wasn't sure about the situations of these two guys.

[b bulldog]

Packers by a longshot, come on, the Packers are and always will be a better situation than the frauds from MN

[Fritz]

.Pack has 4 recievers that would start for MN. The only place they beat us is with AP as far as I can tell. Oh wait, they may have a better punter than we do!

Strongly disagree

Their #3 WR is probably more talented than our #3 or #4.

Sydney Rice is close to Jennings; could argue either way
Bernard Berrion is close to Driver
Harvin is as good or better then Jones or Nelson

Here's where we disagree most. I'd take Driver in a heartbeat, any day, over Berrian.

[Smidgeon]

That Fitz comment is getting blown out of proportion. I read it as Fitz wanting to get better at YAC. Fitz is way better than Jennings

I have no idea who the Vikes #4 WR is either so I'm assuming the Pack has a huge edge there

Personally (and this is just opinion), I don't think the Fitzgerald comment is getting blown out of proportion. Even if you read it as Fitzgerald wanting to get better at YAC, he specifically mentions route running and catching fluidity. What I'm not saying is that Jennings is better or even equivilent to Fitzgerald. I'm saying that Jennings has an advantage over Rice as the #1 receiver based on comments from "those who'd know". Fitzgerald says he studies Jennings to improve his own play, and D-coordinators or scouts say that Jennings is the one on GB's team who scare them the most in his ability to break a game wide open. I think Jennings is a top 10 receiver, but I wouldn't go higher than that. I want to see more than one good year out of Rice (and at least one without a WR-making QB) before I say that he's at least as good as Jennings.

[HarveyWallbangers]

.Pack has 4 recievers that would start for MN. The only place they beat us is with AP as far as I can tell. Oh wait, they may have a better punter than we do!

Strongly disagree

Their #3 WR is probably more talented than our #3 or #4.

Sydney Rice is close to Jennings; could argue either way
Bernard Berrion is close to Driver
Harvin is as good or better then Jones or Nelson

Here's where we disagree most. I'd take Driver in a heartbeat, any day, over Berrian.

Rice has improved a lot, but he was helped by a lot of single coverage this year. I'd take Jennings. Rice is a good receiver. He's big, but he's not Larry Fitgerald. I'd take Driver over Berrian. I have to go with Harvin over Nelson or Jones. I like Jordy. I think he's going to be a very good #2 receiver for us. Harvin has been better than I expected as a receiver. Hopefully, those concussion issues don't linger. I'd take Finley over Shiancoe.

[Fosco33]

Vikings have the edge with experience and HFA (mostly). But Brett seems to fail in big games over the last 10 years and Rodgers is untested.

I like what M3 has done over the past 8 games.

The Packers are as healthy and hot as they've been while the Vikes have key injuries and have lost some tough games.

I'd take the Packers situation - playing on the road, no one expecting you to make it... a la the Giants a few years ago.