Atari Bigby

[mraynrand]

Have the Packers even allowed a 100 yard rusher since Bigby's return? I know they allowed at least 2 in the short time he was out. I'd say that's more than coincidence.

How many tackles did he have on RBs following his return?

Were you going to answer my question?

I already have. Try following along. I said Bigby's return allowed Capers the freedom to use his LB's more agressively. In layman's terms, AJ Hawk and Nick Barnett have made more plays on RB's at the LOS as a result of Bigby's return because they don't have to play pass and react to run anymore. Now they can play run and react to pass, which has led to a #1 ranked rush defense in the NFL. Derrick Martin didn't allow them to do that. To answer your question specifically, the answer is zero. Bigby personally did not make those tackles. But as I've explained above, he played a part in those tackles without being the one to actually make them.

For crying out loud, I'm talking about the impact Bigby has on the defense as a whole. Not about how great he is individually. Stop looking at it that way. He plays a support role. That's the role the SS is asked to play in this defense. We don't need a playmaker there. I know, other guys could do it too - but as long as we have Bigby doing it already why the need for a change? There may be better playmaking SS out there, but you won't find many better at the support role Bigby is asked to play. Our SS does not play at the LOS in run support.

The only reason we'd need a SS who can do more than the one we already have is if we were to change the way we play defense. Change the assignments for our SS. Change the role he would play. Why do that? We're #2 in the NFL. Ride the horse till it bucks you. No need to change anything on our defense. Not a goddamn thing.

Are you really saying Bigby's return freed up the LBs from pass coverage responsibilities?

It certainly changes how we have to approach defending the middle of the field.

But did it, actually? With Chillar's injury, it's hard to say that Bigby reduced the need for 'Big Oakie,' for example. Plus, I don't have any stats on how much Bigby freed LBs to be more aggressive and not be in coverage as much. I think that would be extremely hard to measure. I'll be happy to take the defensive coaches' word for it. I'll be looking around for what they say. If you see articles or quotes that pertain, post 'em. It's interesting since in football, like Gun suggests, a guy can have an influence without seeming to make any plays or "Big Hits" himself.

[ThunderDan]

I don't agree that Bigby makes no impact plays. He makes big hits, still does. Bigger than Collins and Collins is a big hitter too. He gets interceptions. He stops the run.


He doesn't give up big plays and he makes big plays. As far as I'm concerned, when Bigby is healthy, I think he's as good as Collins but I trust Collins to stay healthy and be reliable so I'd much rather have Collins.

Isn't this what you said??? You are comparing Bigby to our 2 time ProBowl Safety Mr. Collins!! So that would make Bigby a ProBowler??

[SkinBasket]

Face it Skin, you were wrong. Bigby's at least a solid player.

You're certainly free to feel that way. I don't understand your annoyingly unsubstantiated insistence that everyone else agree with you, however.

[RashanGary]

I don't agree that Bigby makes no impact plays. He makes big hits, still does. Bigger than Collins and Collins is a big hitter too. He gets interceptions. He stops the run.


He doesn't give up big plays and he makes big plays. As far as I'm concerned, when Bigby is healthy, I think he's as good as Collins but I trust Collins to stay healthy and be reliable so I'd much rather have Collins.

Isn't this what you said??? You are comparing Bigby to our 2 time ProBowl Safety Mr. Collins!! So that would make Bigby a ProBowler??

Nothing I said was false. Down the stretch in 2007 and then down the stretch this year, Bigby was getting more picks, making more big hits and not giving up any big plays.

Bigby isn't a probowler, doesn't deserve to be, but if he puts together 16 games similar to the healthy stretches he's had in 2007 and this year, he will be a probowler,

Collins has done it so well, so consistently for so long. He certainly is a probowler, but when Bigby is healthy he's a big play guy. Made them at a higher rate than Collins during those stretches, but that's not really an opinion. It's a fact. Bigby's problem is that he's been hurt.

[RashanGary]

Face it Skin, you were wrong. Bigby's at least a solid player.

You're certainly free to feel that way. I don't understand your annoyingly unsubstantiated insistence that everyone else agree with you, however.

That's fine. Disregard what the coaches and players say. Disregard what the non biased scouts say. Disregard the stats. Disregard the top tier defense with Bigby in it. You have your mind made up, why would anyone expect you to change it in light of an abundance of new evidence?

[Scott Campbell]

Collins has done it so well, so consistently for so long. He certainly is a probowler,.......

That ain't how I remember it.

Two summers ago we were all hell bent on replacing the inconsistent underachieving Nick Collins with up and coming Aaron Rouse. His Pro Bowl level of play is a relatively recent achievement.

[Scott Campbell]

Face it Skin, you were wrong. Bigby's at least a solid player.

You're certainly free to feel that way. I don't understand your annoyingly unsubstantiated insistence that everyone else agree with you, however.

That's fine. Disregard what the coaches and players say. Disregard what the non biased scouts say. Disregard the stats. Disregard the top tier defense with Bigby in it. You have your mind made up, why would anyone expect you to change it in light of an abundance of new evidence?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

[SkinBasket]

Face it Skin, you were wrong. Bigby's at least a solid player.

You're certainly free to feel that way. I don't understand your annoyingly unsubstantiated insistence that everyone else agree with you, however.

That's fine. Disregard what the coaches and players say. Disregard what the non biased scouts say. Disregard the stats. Disregard the top tier defense with Bigby in it. You have your mind made up, why would anyone expect you to change it in light of an abundance of new evidence?

What stats? His irreplaceable 49 tackles? His 4 game changing shag ball INTs that came in games we won a combined 107-17? What stats exactly am I disregarding?

What "new evidence" was this? Did you research some of Atari's sperm and find an awesomeness gene that somehow links Atari Bigby to team wins and the improvement of a defense in a new scheme?

The only person disregarding the "top tier defense" is those who claim Bigby is the reason it exists. And the only people who've made up their minds on Bigby are those who have been waiting a year and a half for him to do anything not unproductive so they can get all excited again and tell everyone else how smart they were for never failing in their fanboy adoration of the Great Atari Bigby.

[RashanGary]

Haha. Oh well, we'll see how it all pans out. Hopefully I'm right about Atari.


Just that name though, how can you not like Atari Bigby. And that's before you get into the hair. Sheesh.

[3irty1]

I don't agree that Bigby makes no impact plays. He makes big hits, still does. Bigger than Collins and Collins is a big hitter too. He gets interceptions. He stops the run.


He doesn't give up big plays and he makes big plays. As far as I'm concerned, when Bigby is healthy, I think he's as good as Collins but I trust Collins to stay healthy and be reliable so I'd much rather have Collins.

Isn't this what you said??? You are comparing Bigby to our 2 time ProBowl Safety Mr. Collins!! So that would make Bigby a ProBowler??

Nothing I said was false. Down the stretch in 2007 and then down the stretch this year, Bigby was getting more picks, making more big hits and not giving up any big plays.

Bigby isn't a probowler, doesn't deserve to be, but if he puts together 16 games similar to the healthy stretches he's had in 2007 and this year, he will be a probowler,

Collins has done it so well, so consistently for so long. He certainly is a probowler, but when Bigby is healthy he's a big play guy. Made them at a higher rate than Collins during those stretches, but that's not really an opinion. It's a fact. Bigby's problem is that he's been hurt.

If he did this he'd be defensive player of the year. Was he not NFC defensive player of the month in December of 2007?

[SkinBasket]

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[MJZiggy]

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Yeah yeah yeah, I know, I KNOW!!!

[SkinBasket]

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Yeah yeah yeah, I know, I KNOW!!!

Just sayin'.

We have some issues. They need to be fixed.

[Bretsky]

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Bad day to be a fan of nearly anybody on defense. They all played poorly. Bush and Bigby were often victimized....not sure they were that much more than anybody else though

[SkinBasket]

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Bad day to be a fan of nearly anybody on defense. They all played poorly. Bush and Bigby were often victimized....not sure they were that much more than anybody else though

The middle of the field might as well of had a "vacancy" sign erected in it. At least it might have deflected a pass or two.

The entire defense was busy trying to cover that gaping, suck-ass hole all night and couldn't. If there's any consolation for Bigby fans, at least Giordano wasn't any better... Although we did tie the game with him playing SS, so he must be a catalyst of some sort by the same logic we've seen this week.