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**swede** · 01-07-2010, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by JustinHarrell

Originally posted by Fritz

Funny to think of all the "Fire Ted" stuff two summers ago and this past summer...I think the haters are rather disappointed.

At some point, the people that are always wrong, they should make a rule for themselves that they're never allowed to hate. There is an idiot threshold that once met, should internally prevent a person from ever hating again. Well, unless they're an idiot and an asshole. In that case, hate away, but don't expect any respect from just about anyone with a brain or heart.

Good point. I am converted. I no longer hate Adrian Peterson. Letting go of my hatred has freed me to be a better person.

I still hate his knees and ankles.

**mraynrand** · 01-07-2010, 08:16 AM

In related news, TT lists Peter King as FFF of the year.

**3irty1** · 01-07-2010, 10:12 AM

I hate Peter King. I'd almost be disappointed if TT won now since it came out of Peter King's Favre-balls-licking mouth.

**packerbacker1234** · 01-07-2010, 02:12 PM

I'll give TT some creidt.

- Charles Woodson
- Aaron Rodgers
- Jennings
- Ryan Grant trade

Otherwise? The OL is still not solved long haul. We are relying on two savvy veteran tackles who have proven then can still play (who knows how much longer, 1, 2 years of good play left?), and a center that was brought here before TT showed up. Grant it, I really like Wells. We've been a revolving door at guard and backup tackle, and even attempted to bench one of our best linemen in Wells earlier this year for a guy in Spitz who has never proven to be good at any position.

College isn't the answer at LG. Thats been evident. Sitton may be too early to tell at RG. Lang looks like he could be a good RT, but we still have no true replacement for Clifton. Also, this line really came together when Taucher returned. Not sure that is just coincidence.

DL... still pretty much what was here before TT showed up. Hawk hasn;t really lived up to a #5 pick.

I mean, no GM is perfect. I don't hate TT - his biggest contreversy was Favre. However, it doesn't mean I like his mentality. Outside of woodson, he has never really proven he wants to win Now... it's always "to win later". Right now, with the cap about to go away, we have al ot of young players coming up for new contracts... and we can't afford to sign them all at once.

How is that building ag ood future? 3 years from now, over half the roster is going to be gone, including starters, becuase we can't afford to pay that many players at once. He jumped all over paying AR after a handful of games, but not Collins after two probowl selections? Not Jennings after being great for 3 seasons?

Thing is, and this was an issue in the locker room earlier this year, is the feeling is with players that TT doesn't reward them. Woodson even spoke about it, saying a new contract for collins would go a long way in that lockerroom. Have you seen one yet?

I don't mind what TT does draft wise, I don't like what he does outside of the draft. He isn't taking care of his players, and now we will ahve a lot of expiring contracts around the same time, lose a bunch of people, only to fill in with what... more new draft picks? That sets us up to be a winning team once every few years, instead of a constant playoff/superbowl contendor. Look at what the other good teams do that are always there. They are constantly looking for parts, and lock up those that earn it.

Not so in GB under TT.

**RashanGary** · 01-07-2010, 02:31 PM

McGinn polled scouts to grade the NFCN and they loved Sitton, said Colledge was rock solid and didn't really like Wells. They also liked Clifton and Tausher. According to the scouts, the Pack has the best OL in the NFCN but it's a big tragedy to you.

The Packers had a 4,000 yard passer and 1200 yard rusher 2 years in a row. It's not perfect, but I think Packer fans greatly exaggerate the OL issues. Shocking that Wells is the top guy according to the Ted haters, but he's the worst according to the scouts. And funny how we've had 9 sacks in the last 7 games (on pace for 20 in a season) and are tearing it up in the run.

They started a little slow, but they're gelling right now. The only OL Sherman gave us in 4 years was Wells. Thompson has Sitton, Colledge, Spitz and maybe Lang as good players.

Some people's ability to ignore reality in favor of what they want to believe is shocking. The situation Sherman left (cap, aging players, contracts, young talent) was so horrendous that we're finally starting to dig out of that OL hole. Patler did a nice job explaining it the other day.

But why listen to scouts and the most respected poster here when we can forge our own fairytale and stand by it with the idiotic fervour and dedication of holy crusaders

**Tony Oday** · 01-07-2010, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by packerbacker1234

I'll give TT some creidt.

- Charles Woodson
- Aaron Rodgers
- Jennings
- Ryan Grant trade

Otherwise? The OL is still not solved long haul. We are relying on two savvy veteran tackles who have proven then can still play (who knows how much longer, 1, 2 years of good play left?), and a center that was brought here before TT showed up. Grant it, I really like Wells. We've been a revolving door at guard and backup tackle, and even attempted to bench one of our best linemen in Wells earlier this year for a guy in Spitz who has never proven to be good at any position.

College isn't the answer at LG. Thats been evident. Sitton may be too early to tell at RG. Lang looks like he could be a good RT, but we still have no true replacement for Clifton. Also, this line really came together when Taucher returned. Not sure that is just coincidence.

DL... still pretty much what was here before TT showed up. Hawk hasn;t really lived up to a #5 pick.

I mean, no GM is perfect. I don't hate TT - his biggest contreversy was Favre. However, it doesn't mean I like his mentality. Outside of woodson, he has never really proven he wants to win Now... it's always "to win later". Right now, with the cap about to go away, we have al ot of young players coming up for new contracts... and we can't afford to sign them all at once.

How is that building ag ood future? 3 years from now, over half the roster is going to be gone, including starters, becuase we can't afford to pay that many players at once. He jumped all over paying AR after a handful of games, but not Collins after two probowl selections? Not Jennings after being great for 3 seasons?

Thing is, and this was an issue in the locker room earlier this year, is the feeling is with players that TT doesn't reward them. Woodson even spoke about it, saying a new contract for collins would go a long way in that lockerroom. Have you seen one yet?

I don't mind what TT does draft wise, I don't like what he does outside of the draft. He isn't taking care of his players, and now we will ahve a lot of expiring contracts around the same time, lose a bunch of people, only to fill in with what... more new draft picks? That sets us up to be a winning team once every few years, instead of a constant playoff/superbowl contendor. Look at what the other good teams do that are always there. They are constantly looking for parts, and lock up those that earn it.

Not so in GB under TT.

wow...you havent been paying attention to Football this year...

**get louder at lambeau** · 01-07-2010, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by packerbacker1234

I'll give TT some creidt.

- Charles Woodson
- Aaron Rodgers
- Jennings
- Ryan Grant trade

Otherwise? The OL is still not solved long haul. We are relying on two savvy veteran tackles who have proven then can still play (who knows how much longer, 1, 2 years of good play left?), and a center that was brought here before TT showed up. Grant it, I really like Wells. We've been a revolving door at guard and backup tackle, and even attempted to bench one of our best linemen in Wells earlier this year for a guy in Spitz who has never proven to be good at any position.

College isn't the answer at LG. Thats been evident. Sitton may be too early to tell at RG. Lang looks like he could be a good RT, but we still have no true replacement for Clifton. Also, this line really came together when Taucher returned. Not sure that is just coincidence.

DL... still pretty much what was here before TT showed up. Hawk hasn;t really lived up to a #5 pick.

I mean, no GM is perfect. I don't hate TT - his biggest contreversy was Favre. However, it doesn't mean I like his mentality. Outside of woodson, he has never really proven he wants to win Now... it's always "to win later". Right now, with the cap about to go away, we have al ot of young players coming up for new contracts... and we can't afford to sign them all at once.

How is that building ag ood future? 3 years from now, over half the roster is going to be gone, including starters, becuase we can't afford to pay that many players at once. He jumped all over paying AR after a handful of games, but not Collins after two probowl selections? Not Jennings after being great for 3 seasons?

Thing is, and this was an issue in the locker room earlier this year, is the feeling is with players that TT doesn't reward them. Woodson even spoke about it, saying a new contract for collins would go a long way in that lockerroom. Have you seen one yet?

I don't mind what TT does draft wise, I don't like what he does outside of the draft. He isn't taking care of his players, and now we will ahve a lot of expiring contracts around the same time, lose a bunch of people, only to fill in with what... more new draft picks? That sets us up to be a winning team once every few years, instead of a constant playoff/superbowl contendor. Look at what the other good teams do that are always there. They are constantly looking for parts, and lock up those that earn it.

Not so in GB under TT.

What an award-winningly stupid post. You start by saying you'll give TT some credit, and then go off on a 90% negative rant full of speculation and misinformation.

Outside of woodson, he has never really proven he wants to win Now... it's always "to win later".

The Packers have been one play away from the Super Bowl, and are 11-5 heading into the playoffs this year. That's not winning now?

Right now, with the cap about to go away, we have al ot of young players coming up for new contracts... and we can't afford to sign them all at once.

You state this as fact. What do you know this based on, exactly? This is a math related question, so show your work.

3 years from now, over half the roster is going to be gone, including starters, becuase we can't afford to pay that many players at once.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone state a possiblity of anything like this before, yet you state this as fact as well. Apparently you can see into the future, and the end is near. Uh oh!

He jumped all over paying AR after a handful of games, but not Collins after two probowl selections? Not Jennings after being great for 3 seasons?

Paying AR early looks like a genius move right now. Collins is still playing in his second Pro Bowl year, and you don't have any way of knowing whether or not he'll get paid after it. Jennings GOT paid after his third season.

**get louder at lambeau** · 01-07-2010, 02:51 PM

Oops. Double posted.

**mngolf19** · 01-07-2010, 03:09 PM

I would think NO should garner some awards, maybe Cin too. And I guess that due to only improving by 2 games means MN cannot win.

**mngolf19** · 01-07-2010, 03:11 PM

And it's funny that a couple posts down it says "Not to believe in Peter King"

**ThunderDan** · 01-07-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by get louder at lambeau

What an award-winningly stupid post. You start by saying you'll give TT some credit, and then go off on a 90% negative rant full of speculation and misinformation.