Peter King lists TT as Executive of the Year

[Smidgeon]

I don't think we'll be losing too many players due to lack of funds anytime soon.

This is exactly it. We might be making either or decisions like the Steelers did a few years ago, keeping ward, letting Burris go.


I don't see us running into very many Rivera, Wahle, Flanagan issues where we have nothing behind the starter and no money to keep the starter, at least not anytime soon.


We're at a point where patience and good decisions are starting to accumulate. Budgets and caps impose a limit as to just how high it can go, but with the decisions Ted has made, he raised the ceiling. I think it's going to surprise some people like smidgeon just how much talent we cna afford to keep.

My philosophy on cap management: I have none. I'm not an expert in contracts, signing bonuses, poison pills, player market value, competetive pricing in the professional markets, negotiating principles for scarce products, scouting reports for potential replacements, or even player management. I have opinions on irreplaceable value (Rodgers, Jennings, Clay Matthews, Collins, Woodson, etc), the replaceable value--ascending or descending--(Jolly, Pickett, Raji, Williams, Bigby, etc), and simply the replaceable (Bishop, Bush, Giordino, Poppinga, etc) of the players but not what it would cost to keep them or what value they would have in a trade.

I'm confident that GB now has the cap space to pay who they want to (Rodgers, Jennings) to competetive contracts, trade who they don't want (Williams, Walker), and cut the rest. That wasn't a luxury they had prior to TT cleaning up the roster.

I think, JH, where you and I differ is not on GB's capability to retain players, but which players are worth retaining. It's a very subjective field for those of us who don't study tape for a living (and even then it's subjective although an educated subjectivity).

So there. Neener, neener.

[get louder at lambeau]

For someone who got "pissed" when Admin called you out, it seems pretty hypocritical of you to then post this.

I didn't get "pissed". I just responded in kind. I have no problem at all with people calling each other out.

Funny, I actually saw it the other way around- Admin was the one saying "there's no reason for the attitude" because I asked him what the fuck he was talking about in what seemed to me to be a nonsensical response. Anywho, that was in another thread.

[Fritz]

DL... still pretty much what was here before TT showed up. Hawk hasn;t really lived up to a #5 pick.

The D-line is what it was before TT showed up? Do you mean in personnel or in performance. The only hold-overs in the D-line are Jenkins and Kampman. Thompson managed to resign Kampman to a reasonable FA contract before the 2006 season, after having signed him as a RFA in 2005. He signed Jenkins before the 2007 season. While he wasn't responsible for getting either player originally, at least he managed to keep them in GB when each could have been pretty hot candidates in the market. The rest of the D-line, Pickett, Jolly, Raji, Montgomery, Wynn, Toribio, were all brought to GB by TT. As for performance, I think the line has played very well this year. Whether that is better than it was pre-TT doesn't mean much, as long as it performs well now. Personally, I think the D-line play this year has been better than I have seen in GB for some time.

Hawk isn't the impact player hoped for at #5, but TT can be criticized for that only if he by-passed a player to take Hawk. The mere fact that Hawk isn't what he was hoped to be isn't TT's fault. We should look at who TT should have taken instead, and that doesn't include the players who came from no where to excel. I can't blame TT for not taking a player that no one had at the top of their boards.

I mean, no GM is perfect. I don't hate TT - his biggest contreversy was Favre. However, it doesn't mean I like his mentality. Outside of woodson, he has never really proven he wants to win Now... it's always "to win later". Right now, with the cap about to go away, we have al ot of young players coming up for new contracts... and we can't afford to sign them all at once.

How is that building ag ood future? 3 years from now, over half the roster is going to be gone, including starters, becuase we can't afford to pay that many players at once. He jumped all over paying AR after a handful of games, but not Collins after two probowl selections? Not Jennings after being great for 3 seasons?

You will have to explain to me why it is that with the cap going away the Packers will not be able to sign players they could have last year or this. I do not understand your reasoning. Any money not spent on a new player contract presumably is still in the Packers hands. The salary cap is not money, its just an artificial number that contracts are structured to meet. It does not create cash for the team. If the full cap number is not "spent" real dollars are not taken away from the team. If you had $200 in 2009 and I said you could spend no more than $100 in 2009, but you really spent only $80 because you didn't buy a new cap, are you any less able to buy that cap in 2010?

As for Jennings, the Packers already signed him to a lucrative contract extension last June.

Thing is, and this was an issue in the locker room earlier this year, is the feeling is with players that TT doesn't reward them. Woodson even spoke about it, saying a new contract for collins would go a long way in that lockerroom. Have you seen one yet?

I don't mind what TT does draft wise, I don't like what he does outside of the draft. He isn't taking care of his players, and now we will ahve a lot of expiring contracts around the same time, lose a bunch of people, only to fill in with what... more new draft picks? That sets us up to be a winning team once every few years, instead of a constant playoff/superbowl contendor. Look at what the other good teams do that are always there. They are constantly looking for parts, and lock up those that earn it.

Not so in GB under TT.

Actually, TT has managed to quietly resign and improve contracts for lots of players over the last 5 years. He resigned or extended at least Franks in '05; Kampman in '06; Jenkins and Barnett in '07; Grant, Rodgers and Poppinga in '08; Jennings, Bush and Chiller in '09. He sweetened the contracts of at least Tauscher, Harris (twice) and Driver (I think twice, too). He brought in Pickett and Woodson as FAs of note. Sure, there are some expiring contracts to address, but that will always be the case. I expect Collins will get taken care of too. However, it takes two to agree. If Collins' agent was asking for a top 5 contract, I can fully understand the Packers waiting to see if 2008 was a one year performance, and how Collins would adjust to the new scheme. In essence, make sure he would be worth the money. Collins got a real nice bump in pay this year anyway ($2.5 million added) due to performance clauses in his original contract.

Thank you, Patler. Long live reason.

[Packerarcher]

This team today proves more than anything that TT is a fucking moron and needs to go.

[MOBB DEEP]

This team today proves more than anything that TT is a fucking moron and needs to go.

lol lol lol...at least you arent knee jerk

all ima say is Aaron is a frickn STUD; i know, duh.....but still

[Spaulding]

This team today proves more than anything that TT is a fucking moron and needs to go.

How the heck does today's performance have much to do with TT? It's on Dom Capers and the defensive players as much as anything.

Nice post.

[ThunderDan]

This team today proves more than anything that TT is a fucking moron and needs to go.

Axe to grind??? Give it a rest!!! We have a young stud at QB and not a 40 year old who will retire in the next 1 -3 years.

[Brandon494]

This team today proves more than anything that TT is a fucking moron and needs to go.

This post proves more than anything that Packerarcher is a fucking moroon and needs to go

[MichiganPackerFan]

He isn't taking care of his players...

Ask Ryan Grant, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Aaron Rodgers, Nick Barnett, Brandon Chillar, Justin Harrell, Will Blackmon, Al Harris, Jarrett Bush, or anyone else in that locker room whether or not TT takes care of his players. ...

Hell, even ask Collins in a year or so. Ask Al Harris who got a well earned mid-contract increase.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I think it's going to surprise some people like smidgeon just how much talent we cna afford to keep.

Umm...come again? How did I get thrown into the salary cap discussion?

See...you ARE surprised.

It's about time he got dragged into the scrum.

Yeah!!! We'll drag him down yet!!! Get 'im!

[Smidgeon]

I think it's going to surprise some people like smidgeon just how much talent we cna afford to keep.

Umm...come again? How did I get thrown into the salary cap discussion?

See...you ARE surprised.

It's about time he got dragged into the scrum.

Yeah!!! We'll drag him down yet!!! Get 'im!

Give me your best shot. I'm waiting.

[Bossman641]

This team today proves more than anything that TT is a fucking moron and needs to go.

This post proves more than anything that Packerarcher is a fucking moroon and needs to go

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