And the MVP goes to.....

[Smidgeon]

Manning - 39.5 votes
Brees - 7.5
Rivers - 2
Favre - 1

It's kinda crazy that QB's are always getting the MVP. I mean...I know they should get it 75% of the time...but 99.9% of the time? Look at those votes...where's Chris Johnson? Where's Charles Woodson? And I think Rodgers should have at least one vote!
Oh well...at least Favre didn't win it as a VIKING!

I wrote a thread about the MVP statistics since the AFL-NFL merger a while back. A QB or RB has won the award every time except three. In almost 40 years. I think it's a ridiculous measure because they're really only voting on "Best QB or RB in the league." Until they start voting on "the player playing significantly better than anyone else at his own position enough that every other team would be blessed to have him," then it will continue to be a QB and RB award.

[BF4MVP]

Manning - 39.5 votes
Brees - 7.5
Rivers - 2
Favre - 1

It's kinda crazy that QB's are always getting the MVP. I mean...I know they should get it 75% of the time...but 99.9% of the time? Look at those votes...where's Chris Johnson? Where's Charles Woodson? And I think Rodgers should have at least one vote!
Oh well...at least Favre didn't win it as a VIKING!

Agreed that Rodgers should have had a vote..Woodson should have gotten more consideration as well..As far as Chris Johnson, however, he had a spectacular season but MVP's don't come from 8-8 teams.

I realize MVPs don't come from sucky teams...but what was Detroit's record when Barry Sanders won it? I think the MVP should reflect on the player..not the team he's on.

They were 9-7 and made the playoffs..Fair point though.

I agree with you, should be about the player, but team success is taken into consideration.

[MJZiggy]

Manning - 39.5 votes
Brees - 7.5
Rivers - 2
Favre - 1

Tight race...

[Scott Campbell]

Manning - 39.5 votes
Brees - 7.5
Rivers - 2
Favre - 1

It's kinda crazy that QB's are always getting the MVP. I mean...I know they should get it 75% of the time...but 99.9% of the time? Look at those votes...where's Chris Johnson? Where's Charles Woodson? And I think Rodgers should have at least one vote!
Oh well...at least Favre didn't win it as a VIKING!

I wrote a thread about the MVP statistics since the AFL-NFL merger a while back. A QB or RB has won the award every time except three. In almost 40 years. I think it's a ridiculous measure because they're really only voting on "Best QB or RB in the league." Until they start voting on "the player playing significantly better than anyone else at his own position enough that every other team would be blessed to have him," then it will continue to be a QB and RB award.

Another NFL beauty contest.

[packerbacker1234]

Not sure Manning deserves it.

- He only played 14 games
- He threw the most picks of the available canidates. Many of his so called "comebacks" were his own fault due to picks that he even had to come back
- Best Pass Blocking OL in the league
- Not a leader in any major stat category, and is #5 in the league for most picks.

Him not playing showed what, what the colts are like without him? Really? What about the other 22 starters they benched. Yeah, colts are a 5 win team without him... not sure I see that. I mean, everyone thought the patriots were screwed without Brady, next thing you know they go 11-5 without him. Showed that brady himself isn't really why they win. Does an injury and hte colts still winning need to happen for the media to stop drinking the manning koolaid?

Drew Brees or Philip Rivers deserved it just as much, if not more. Favre obviously should be in the discussion because his stats are rediculous, and yeah Rodgers should at least get some credit. 35 Total TD's, and went from 6-10 to 11-5.

People just like to worship the ground peyton walks on. Just like his undeserved SB mvp that his running game and defense won, while he threw a pick and botched a handoff to keep the bears in the game.

[Joemailman]

Not sure Manning deserves it.

- He only played 14 games

Yes, but he was 14-0.

There have been times in the past where Manning got awards he didn't deserve, but not this year. He doesn't have the weapons he used to have, but still had a great year. He was outstanding.

[RashanGary]

I've always been a bit of a Manning fan. Amazing passer. If we don't win the SB, I'm pulling for the Colts.

[Smidgeon]

Manning - 39.5 votes
Brees - 7.5
Rivers - 2
Favre - 1

It's kinda crazy that QB's are always getting the MVP. I mean...I know they should get it 75% of the time...but 99.9% of the time? Look at those votes...where's Chris Johnson? Where's Charles Woodson? And I think Rodgers should have at least one vote!
Oh well...at least Favre didn't win it as a VIKING!

I wrote a thread about the MVP statistics since the AFL-NFL merger a while back. A QB or RB has won the award every time except three. In almost 40 years. I think it's a ridiculous measure because they're really only voting on "Best QB or RB in the league." Until they start voting on "the player playing significantly better than anyone else at his own position enough that every other team would be blessed to have him," then it will continue to be a QB and RB award.

Another NFL beauty contest.

It is, but the thing that separates this beauty contest from the Pro-Bowl contest is that the people who vote on this one are supposed to be impartial and only have one vote. So there's no ballot-stuffing and the voters are supposed to be educated. It still doesn't quite work. Maybe I should just determine who the MVP is...

[Pugger]

I am pleased #4 only got one vote.

[Packerarcher]

First of all it's a crock that only QB's were once again even looked at. Second it's a crock that doofus,dipshit,over rated Payton Manning won it.

[packerbacker1234]

Not sure Manning deserves it.

- He only played 14 games

Yes, but he was 14-0.

There have been times in the past where Manning got awards he didn't deserve, but not this year. He doesn't have the weapons he used to have, but still had a great year. He was outstanding.

Really? Last I checked....


His 1 and 2 WR's are there. Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne. clark is the TE, but in that offense... he's a WR.

Losing Harrison had little impact, he was pretty much slow and unreliable the last couple years with them.

So because of his weapons, he should of won?

I could say the same for Brees, who took no name players and gave them names, or Favre, who took a guy who had 4 catches last year (Sidney Rice) and made a probowler out of him. Or Rivers, who with a down rushing team (LT not what he once was, sproles shut down), led the chargers on a massive surge to the #2 seed.

Manning did... what? Win? So did the other 3.

Chris Johnson was snubbed I guess, but the guy wasn't on a winning football team. Hard to say your the most valuable player in the nfl when your team is 8-8.

[Scott Campbell]

Really? Last I checked....


His 1 and 2 WR's are there.

Check again.

[packerbacker1234]

Really? Last I checked....


His 1 and 2 WR's are there.

Check again.

Read My Post Again. His Top 2 Threats at WR are there (because with these numbers, that is what clark is)

Reggie Wayne - 100 Catches, 1264 yards, 10 TD's
Dallas Clark - 100 Catches, 1,106 yards, 10 TD's

http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/statistics?team=IND

Again, his two best passing options were still there.

[Scott Campbell]

or Favre, who took a guy who had 4 catches last year (Sidney Rice) and made a probowler out of him.

Check again - you fucked that up too.






Dallas Clark is a TE. He's not a WR just because you say so. Their number 2 WR Anthony Gonzalez missed the season.

[RashanGary]

That's the thing about Favre lovers, it's so obvious that their minds are not open.


The reason Driver and the Packer receivers over the years have had success was Brett Favre making them better (Favre leaves and nobody drops off).

The reason Grant had such a great end of 2007 was because Favre made the running game better (Favre leaves and we now have the best running game we've had in 5 years with maybe the 2nd worst OL)

The reason the Jets succeeded last year was because Favre (not the better health and new addition). A year later, they're better without Favre.

Favre makes everyone better (goes to Minnesota and AP has his worst year ever).

The reason Packers had success in the 90's and 2000's was Brett Favre. When he leaves look for decades of obscurity. (We're in the playoffs right now and as hot as we've been heading into the post season since the 90's.)

The reason Sidney Rice is great is Brett Favre (Rice had a solid rookie year, was injured his 2nd year and broke out his 3rd). Whenever Favre retires, Rice is still going to be a great player, mark it down.




I'm fine with people being Favre fans. He's had a great career. I understand how some people can be fleeced by his act, I don't hold it against them. But the ability to ignore reality to believe Favre is a unique hero playing with mere mortals, I don't think there is evidence to support that at all. I think the evidence points to Favre being a really good player with legendary durability, a charismatic personality and a part of a football organization that is built right from top down so they've had a lot of success and should contineu to have a lot of success as long as meddling owners bring down the competition. He's a guy who left Greenbay angry and went to two other really good teams. He's a guy who's still a great football player, playing at the highest level and excelling at the highest level. Why do people have to prop him up beyond that? Why does he have to be better than everyone to some people? Why does he have to take so much away from hsi teammates? Why does notobyd around him ever get credit. That's the #1 reason I'm glad he's gone. Now the team I love gets credit for being what htey've always been (really talented for many years)