Fire Capers

[retailguy]

Vanilla Bob's firing last year was warranted. It would be foolish to turn around and fire Capers now, after what he's done with this defense in one year.

Crazy idea. It's that 'let's fire someone every time we lose' theory of fandom.

I don't know fritz. Slowik is available, I think.

[wist43]

This is a ridiculous thread. When they pressured Warner early they didn't get home. When they sat in coverage they got burned.

Coaching can only take you so far. At some point players have to make plays. Four and five man rushes were extremely ineffective today. Had they been, which has nothing to do with coaching, it would have been a much different game.

Obviously, you are a newbie

I am wist...

When in doubt??? Blitz... if 4 don't get home, send 5; if 5 don't get home, send 6; if 6 don't get home, send 7...

... if 7 don't get home, go over and punch the HC in the mouth and start a brawl

As I said... I am not new to the game - been watching Dom Capers for decades; and, as Hannibel Lecter says, "read Marcus Aurelius, what is the first in princple thing he does... what is his nature"??? For Dom Capers - he has a history of what we saw today...

Our lofty defensive ranking notwithstanding... I am not at all surprised, and based upon viewing our first defensive series, I knew the outcome - simply b/c I have decent understanding of Dom Capers - been watching him for years.

As I said, a leopard doesn't change his spots... and we saw Dom Capers spots today - hence, he needs to go, in order for the Packers to improve...

The other alternative would be that someone, i.e. M3 intervene and inject himself into game planning, and play calling on the defensive side of the ball.

Did I mention Dom gave up 51 pts today???

[wist43]

wist your threads and the game thread has been ridiculous today. At some point players have to play. Not much that coaching can do when players are outmanned.

Agreed...Capers had a shitty secondary to play with today. No argument there.

Hey... I knew the outcome from the beginnig...

Don't know what to tell you... I said last week - if he comes out passive, we're screwed.

He came out passive, stayed passive, we were screwed... nobody was more bummed than me.

I knew we were destined to give up big pts from our very first defensive snap... was I wrong???

[Carolina_Packer]

When your depth at safety includes Matt Giordano, you've got to shore that up and get better. I'm sure Warner and his receivers were licking their chops to see him back there in coverage. With all the time Warner had, and the depleted secondary, it's no surprising that they put up 45 on the defense today. I don't necessarily put that on Dom, but the personnel they had to go with. I am surprised that the Packers didn't get more pressure on Warner, but he does have a quick release. That said, the secondary was very bad today in coverage, to go with the lack of pressure.

[channtheman]

I agree wist. How can you blame the Packers when the defensive scheme is so bad? You can't. Being at the game I was watching Breaston OVER AND OVER come off the line so easily and he was open for his entire route almost every time. It was truly embarassing to watch this game. Capers against Warner, Favre, etc. sucks and it showed 3 times this year. I agree with thanking him for the transition but going out and finding another defensive coordinator.

[wist43]

This is a ridiculous thread. When they pressured Warner early they didn't get home. When they sat in coverage they got burned.

Coaching can only take you so far. At some point players have to make plays. Four and five man rushes were extremely ineffective today. Had they been, which has nothing to do with coaching, it would have been a much different game.

What he said.

Back it up... any of you!!!!

I defy any of you!!!!

Go ahead, fight me on this... we gave up 51 pts, Dom has a history - plenty of fodder to fight with.

Am I missing something???

I mentioned the '96 NFC Championship Game... was ecstatic with Dom's defensive game plan

Put us in the SB...

51 pts... surely this is Jarret Bush's fault, right???

[wist43]

I agree wist. How can you blame the Packers when the defensive scheme is so bad? You can't. Being at the game I was watching Breaston OVER AND OVER come off the line so easily and he was open for his entire route almost every time. It was truly embarassing to watch this game. Capers against Warner, Favre, etc. sucks and it showed 3 times this year. I agree with thanking him for the transition but going out and finding another defensive coordinator.

Is it rocket science to bust the slot receiver in the chops, and send 5???

Arizona receivers were given clean releases all day... you might as well be trying to cover with cheerleaders.

[rbaloha1]

Capers should not be fire. The defense improved and is on its way to becomong a top caliber d.

All season felt the defense was overrated. Only shut down one top qb -- Romo. Favre, Palmer, Rothleisberger and Warner shredded our d.

Another draft, resigns and free agency shall bring more 3-4 types.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Stupid thread

[wist43]

Stupid thread

51 pts... care to defend???

Didn't think so Harv...

I made a case, did you defend??? Of course not...

[BallHawk]

Stupid thread

45 pts... care to defend???

Fixed.

[wist43]

Capers should not be fire. The defense improved and is on its way to becomong a top caliber d.

All season felt the defense was overrated. Only shut down one top qb -- Romo. Favre, Palmer, Rothleisberger and Warner shredded our d.

Another draft, resigns and free agency shall bring more 3-4 types.

I guess that's my point...

Doesn't matter how much the personnel is improved, Dom Capers has a baseline nature...

If his initial game plan is crap - you're going to lose.

Good coach... always thought he was a good coach; just not a championship calibur coach, or a good game day coach, or even necessarily a good game planning coach.

If we were truly the #2 ranked defense in the league... would we have given up 51 pts??? Is something wrong with this picture??

[wist43]

Stupid thread

45 pts... care to defend???

Fixed.

Well, actually... I'm ashamed for Arizona that they didn't score more

60+ was probably a more accurate measure

[digitaldean]

Dom's scheming was a contributing factor, but it was more a lack of playmaking by the D. The horrible tackling by Hawk, Chillar, Collins, even C-Wood didn't help. The lack of secondary depth was exposed today.

The players have to make plays. Today they weren't in position plus they were more interested in stripping the ball than wrapping up and tackling.

It was a TEAM loss all the way around. A-Rod threw a pick that led to a TD, DD had a fumble that led to a TD, Crosby had an indoor FG attempt that cost us 3 points also. Poor clock mgmt. before HT cost us a chance at a TD.

There are VERY fine lines between winning and losing. They are even finer in the playoffs. We didn't deserve to win, because we didn't execute on the field. It's not all coaching, but it was a factor.

[Carolina_Packer]

Capers should not be fire. The defense improved and is on its way to becomong a top caliber d.

All season felt the defense was overrated. Only shut down one top qb -- Romo. Favre, Palmer, Rothleisberger and Warner shredded our d.

Another draft, resigns and free agency shall bring more 3-4 types.

I guess that's my point...

Doesn't matter how much the personnel is improved, Dom Capers has a baseline nature...

If his initial game plan is crap - you're going to lose.

Good coach... always thought he was a good coach; just not a championship calibur coach, or a good game day coach, or even necessarily a good game planning coach.

If we were truly the #2 ranked defense in the league... would we have given up 51 pts??? Is something wrong with this picture??

Wist, the defense was like bringing a knife to a gunfight today. The offense did their job, outside of some early miscues. Couldn't have asked the to do much more than they did. The defense showed it's lack of depth today, especially in the secondary, when the d-line and linebackers couldn't get much pressure. No pressure and a depleted secondary plays into the hands of a good offense like Arizona's. If you have some more help in the secondary and get some pressure, it might be a blow-out in our favor. Do you really think this is the crew that we'll be forced to go with on defense next season. Even still, they finished the season right up there, so imagine what they can do with some more talent in place.