CARDS SAW A WEAKNESS AND EXPLOITED IT

[Smidgeon]

You want to excuse Bush's inability to play any position on this defense by pointing out his position on the depth chart. I was simply pointing out the guy he was supposed to be covering most of the time is just as low on his depth chart. Bush repeatedly followed the wrong receiver in bunch sets, which not only allows his guy to gun around like a horny unicorn in a field filled with golden sunshine, but also fucks the rest of the coverage for that play. Between his ineptitude and Bigby's inability to do anything other than stand around, there really wasn't much to be done when we couldn't generate pressure in base sets and were forced into dime.

Read the post I was responding to, which was trying to compare Bush to Woodson. I was pointing out that a comparison between Bush and Woodson is silly.

As for Bush's alleged inability to do anything but stand around, I don't buy that. The few replays I saw with guys all turned around involved Lee or Underwood. Maybe Bush messed up, but I find it much more likely that Lee and Underwood didn't have a clue.

I agree about the pressure.

I alleged that Bigby has the unique inability to do anything other than stand around, not Bush. Bush has the unique ability to move really fast in random directions completely unrelated to the coverage scheme. If we could meld them into one player, we still wouldn't have a functional safety.

I don't really blame Bush or Bigby or Chillar for their inadequacies. I blame Thompson for having such troubles finding a safety or two and I blame the defensive line for having such a poor game. We know what these other guys are, and we needed to find a way to keep their role limited ala Bigby, or on the bench completely.

My mistake on Bigby, I missed that transition. I think we at least found out why Bigby is our starter, our backup was worse.

I'm not really sure that Bush played that badly. I still think it is a conclusion people reach because they see a busted coverage and assume it's the fault of the latest scapegoat. Maybe Bush was responsible, but frankly the problems I saw with him up until this point were more about reacting to the ball and being a step slow or just slightly out of position.

I personally think Bush has been on the better side of okay for a while now. But I've been cautious about saying that on the forum since so many people are vilifying him.

[woodbuck27]

Can anyone here really single out one or two defensive players for what we witnessed on Sunday? The defenses on both teams were overall just ugly.

The best player for the Cardinals was IMO Dansby. Who was the best defensive player for the Packers? Where was Nick Barnett and AJ Hawk? They both looked invisable. The pass over the middle of the field was there all game as noone of our LBers could drop into proper coverage. Curt Warner owned our defense and Larry Fitzerald handled even Charles Woodson.

It was the weirdest playoff game I've ever seen. Both offenses almost scoring at will. I felt terrible for Aaron Rodgers but after last seasons Super Bowl and Curt Warners shock after playing a fine game could anyone here not find for his play last Sunday. Curt Warner played an amazing game.

[Smidgeon]

Can anyone here really single out one or two defensive players for what we witnessed on Sunday? The defenses on both teams were overall just ugly.

The best player for the Cardinals was IMO Dansby. Who was the best defensive player for the Packers? Where was Nick Barnett and AJ Hawk? They both looked invisable. The pass over the middle of the field was there all game as noone of our LBers could drop into proper coverage. Curt Warner owned our defense and Larry Fitzerald handled even Charles Woodson.

It was the weirdest playoff game I've ever seen. Both offenses almost scoring at will. I felt terrible for Aaron Rodgers but after last seasons Super Bowl and Curt Warners shock after playing a fine game could anyone here not find for his play last Sunday. Curt Warner played an amazing game.

For aforementioned reasons I disagree with the bolded statement.

[get louder at lambeau]

Bush repeatedly followed the wrong receiver in bunch sets,

Did he? I honestly don't know. I admit I tend to think that you don't know either, but I'd be interested in hearing why you say this.

[SkinBasket]

Bush repeatedly followed the wrong receiver in bunch sets,

Did he? I honestly don't know. I admit I tend to think that you don't know either, but I'd be interested in hearing why you say this.

Because I watched the game. Once, maybe even twice, the broadcast team even pointed it out on replay. Bush is out of his element on defense. He's been pressed into service in kind of emergency role, for sure. But he hasn't improved. He lacks an understanding of our coverages. He lacks the basic understanding of how to play defense in a general sense technique wise, and despite what some people claim is blazing speed, he sure as shit doesn't seem to be able to recover when a guy runs past him.

Bush was exactly what the Cardinals were talking about when they claimed they saw some things they could attack with stacked and bunched formations. Well that and the fact Bigby plays 30 yards off the LOS to limit his liability.

[sharpe1027]

Bush was exactly what the Cardinals were talking about when they claimed they saw some things they could attack with stacked and bunched formations. Well that and the fact Bigby plays 30 yards off the LOS to limit his liability.

Personally, I think they were talking more about the 3-4 defense in general, and in particular many of the zone concepts. Probably used the same game plan they used against Pittsburgh. Perhaps Bush was secretly playing for Pitt.

[KYPack]

Bush repeatedly followed the wrong receiver in bunch sets,

Did he? I honestly don't know. I admit I tend to think that you don't know either, but I'd be interested in hearing why you say this.

Because I watched the game. Once, maybe even twice, the broadcast team even pointed it out on replay. Bush is out of his element on defense. He's been pressed into service in kind of emergency role, for sure. But he hasn't improved. He lacks an understanding of our coverages. He lacks the basic understanding of how to play defense in a general sense technique wise, and despite what some people claim is blazing speed, he sure as shit doesn't seem to be able to recover when a guy runs past him.

Bush was exactly what the Cardinals were talking about when they claimed they saw some things they could attack with stacked and bunched formations. Well that and the fact Bigby plays 30 yards off the LOS to limit his liability.

One thing that I think screws Bush up is that he is a back-up at both safety and corner. But like Skin says, he is the master of no position. A couple times, I saw him release on guys that needed downfield coverage. Darren Perry is one of the better DB coaches in the league, but he still got a ton of work with Bush.

The Packers want to build from within, but Bush is like Hawk. This is his fourth season, but there seems to be little improvement. The guy still plays like a raw recruit and makes lots of mental errors. Even on ST, he's always getting hit by punts or taking rookie penalties. They signed him to a million dollar contract and we've still not seen the kind of production you'd expect from a fourth year guy making that kind of jing.

This pre-season will see a lot of eyeballs on Jarrett. if he dosn't show something, he might be out of a gig.

[Joemailman]

Bush is a tease. Shows flashes of ability, but always seems to come up short when needed the most. Time to move on here. See if Underwood, Lee or Bell can do better if given the opportunities Bush has had.

[SkinBasket]

Bush was exactly what the Cardinals were talking about when they claimed they saw some things they could attack with stacked and bunched formations. Well that and the fact Bigby plays 30 yards off the LOS to limit his liability.

Personally, I think they were talking more about the 3-4 defense in general, and in particular many of the zone concepts. Probably used the same game plan they used against Pittsburgh. Perhaps Bush was secretly playing for Pitt.

Well, sure they were talking about our zone coverage because they knew if they brought in 4 WRs, we would have to match them with players like Bush and Chillar. Guys who have trouble understanding our scheme, much less covering someone in it. Combine them with weak spots like Bigby, and you have a recipe for disaster, or victory depending which side of the fence you're on.

[get louder at lambeau]

Bush repeatedly followed the wrong receiver in bunch sets,

Did he? I honestly don't know. I admit I tend to think that you don't know either, but I'd be interested in hearing why you say this.

Because I watched the game. Once, maybe even twice, the broadcast team even pointed it out on replay. Bush is out of his element on defense. He's been pressed into service in kind of emergency role, for sure. But he hasn't improved. He lacks an understanding of our coverages. He lacks the basic understanding of how to play defense in a general sense technique wise, and despite what some people claim is blazing speed, he sure as shit doesn't seem to be able to recover when a guy runs past him.

Bush was exactly what the Cardinals were talking about when they claimed they saw some things they could attack with stacked and bunched formations. Well that and the fact Bigby plays 30 yards off the LOS to limit his liability.

So you know that based on the comments of announcers? Fair, I guess. I was hoping you might educate me on this, but as I expected, you don't really know either.

[SkinBasket]

Bush repeatedly followed the wrong receiver in bunch sets,

Did he? I honestly don't know. I admit I tend to think that you don't know either, but I'd be interested in hearing why you say this.

Because I watched the game. Once, maybe even twice, the broadcast team even pointed it out on replay. Bush is out of his element on defense. He's been pressed into service in kind of emergency role, for sure. But he hasn't improved. He lacks an understanding of our coverages. He lacks the basic understanding of how to play defense in a general sense technique wise, and despite what some people claim is blazing speed, he sure as shit doesn't seem to be able to recover when a guy runs past him.

Bush was exactly what the Cardinals were talking about when they claimed they saw some things they could attack with stacked and bunched formations. Well that and the fact Bigby plays 30 yards off the LOS to limit his liability.

So you know that based on the comments of announcers? Fair, I guess. I was hoping you might educate me on this, but as I expected, you don't really know either.

You watched the game right? You know Bush is 24. Not that difficult to use your eyeballs and watch him play. He's the guy in green with the 24 on his jersey.

[get louder at lambeau]

Bush repeatedly followed the wrong receiver in bunch sets,

Did he? I honestly don't know. I admit I tend to think that you don't know either, but I'd be interested in hearing why you say this.

Because I watched the game. Once, maybe even twice, the broadcast team even pointed it out on replay. Bush is out of his element on defense. He's been pressed into service in kind of emergency role, for sure. But he hasn't improved. He lacks an understanding of our coverages. He lacks the basic understanding of how to play defense in a general sense technique wise, and despite what some people claim is blazing speed, he sure as shit doesn't seem to be able to recover when a guy runs past him.

Bush was exactly what the Cardinals were talking about when they claimed they saw some things they could attack with stacked and bunched formations. Well that and the fact Bigby plays 30 yards off the LOS to limit his liability.

So you know that based on the comments of announcers? Fair, I guess. I was hoping you might educate me on this, but as I expected, you don't really know either.

You watched the game right? You know Bush is 24. Not that difficult to use your eyeballs and watch him play. He's the guy in green with the 24 on his jersey.

OK, I follow you so far, now enlighten me on how you know which receiver he's supposed to cover in bunched sets.

[MichiganPackerFan]

You watched the game right? You know Bush is 24. Not that difficult to use your eyeballs and watch him play. He's the guy in green with the 24 on his jersey.

OK, I follow you so far, now enlighten me on how you know which receiver he's supposed to cover in bunched sets.

Ooo! Ooo!! This is an easy one! I got it!! The receiver is about to catch the ball and whom Bush is 5 yards behind and madly dashing to catch up with?

[sharpe1027]

You watched the game right? You know Bush is 24. Not that difficult to use your eyeballs and watch him play. He's the guy in green with the 24 on his jersey.

OK, I follow you so far, now enlighten me on how you know which receiver he's supposed to cover in bunched sets.

Ooo! Ooo!! This is an easy one! I got it!! The receiver is about to catch the ball and whom Bush is 5 yards behind and madly dashing to catch up with?

That sounds like every player on the team, except for DL, no wait, I saw Jolly in poor trail position. But no, it is mostly Bush's fault.

[pbmax]

I am not saying Skin or MPF are wrong, but announcers usually have no idea what coverage and what responsibilities DBs have in those coverages. The game threads are full of guesses about who screwed up in coverage and who should have been there.

We often find out after a coach gets asked that something else entirely was supposed to happen. Bush has his faults but in those specific instances, he may have been recovering from someone else's mistake.

For instance, Warner told Peter King the same line about how they thought they could attack the middle of the Packer defense. But the example he gave wasn't to go after Bush or Bigby, it was how to get Steve Breaston on a LB in the middle of the field using motion. That is the play I saw that we never stopped.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/01/10/mmqb/index.html