CARDS SAW A WEAKNESS AND EXPLOITED IT

[sharpe1027]

I think Note 2 at the bottom needs to be read by every offical, just in general and not just last nights game.

Yes. But that had nothing to do with the Woodson play. The path of the ball was completely the other way. Frankly, I'm not sure it was PI at all because I don't think the the ball was in the air when contact occurred.

[sharpe1027]

Good stuff. The only question that remains then is this: Did Woodson fall down on his own, because of incidental contact, or because Fitzgerald gave him enough of a push to "create separation to catch the pass"? I'm not about to go back and replay the game to find out, but I believe our original point of debate was the difference between Bush's blown coverage and Woodson's coverage. I think on all of the passes thrown against Woodson, he was competetive on the route or ball on all of them. Bush? I can't say. I wasn't really watching him, but many posters have said that he was lagging on his routes.

Yeah, the one I remember, Bush trailing a WR that was dragging across the entire field before the pass was finally made. What exactly are people expecting our 3rd DB to be able to do? Play like Reevis?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All Ty is going to say is that...he told you so.

Told you Coach Wiz was smart. Told you he wouldn't show his hand. And, boom...he showed it when it counted...not some meaningless game against the us in the regular season..or preseason.

Maybe next time, some of you will think instead of getting caught up in emotion.

P.S. Great season Pack. Thank you. Ty enjoyed the product you put out. Ty enjoyed watching the young players grow. Ty enjoyed the first year of DC's defense. Ty anxiously awaits for next season. Go Pack Go.

[Smidgeon]

Good stuff. The only question that remains then is this: Did Woodson fall down on his own, because of incidental contact, or because Fitzgerald gave him enough of a push to "create separation to catch the pass"? I'm not about to go back and replay the game to find out, but I believe our original point of debate was the difference between Bush's blown coverage and Woodson's coverage. I think on all of the passes thrown against Woodson, he was competetive on the route or ball on all of them. Bush? I can't say. I wasn't really watching him, but many posters have said that he was lagging on his routes.

Yeah, the one I remember, Bush trailing a WR that was dragging across the entire field before the pass was finally made. What exactly are people expecting our 3rd DB to be able to do? Play like Reevis?

I'm not. But I don't think Woodson's misses were as gregarious as your first post made it seem. That's where I took issue.

[sharpe1027]

I'm not. But I don't think Woodson's misses were as gregarious as your first post made it seem. That's where I took issue.

Misunderstanding, I meant only to point out that many people just assume that Bush is the problem by pointing out how differently people view Woodson's play even when he struggles some.

[Smidgeon]

I'm not. But I don't think Woodson's misses were as gregarious as your first post made it seem. That's where I took issue.

Misunderstanding, I meant only to point out that many people just assume that Bush is the problem by pointing out how differently people view Woodson's play even when he struggles some.

Well, I think we're back on the same page then. He didn't have his best game (who on D did?) but he did cause a momentum changing turnover and that fingertip pass defense late in the game.

[MOBB DEEP]

All Ty is going to say is that...he told you so.

Told you Coach Wiz was smart. Told you he wouldn't show his hand. And, boom...he showed it when it counted...not some meaningless game against the us in the regular season..or preseason.

Maybe next time, some of you will think instead of getting caught up in emotion.

lol at som many i told u so's

[swede]

All Ty is going to say is that...he told you so.

Told you Coach Wiz was smart. Told you he wouldn't show his hand. And, boom...he showed it when it counted...not some meaningless game against the us in the regular season..or preseason.

Maybe next time, some of you will think instead of getting caught up in emotion.

P.S. Great season Pack. Thank you. Ty enjoyed the product you put out. Ty enjoyed watching the young players grow. Ty enjoyed the first year of DC's defense. Ty anxiously awaits for next season. Go Pack Go.

QFT

That loss stung. As well as we have played it seemed so unlikely that anyone could find a flaw in our defense so deadly that we could only make their team punt--what...once?...twice?

It was cool we had a chance to win it, but it would have been stealing a game from a team that played better than we did overall.

[swede]

All Ty is going to say is that...he told you so.

Told you Coach Wiz was smart. Told you he wouldn't show his hand. And, boom...he showed it when it counted...not some meaningless game against the us in the regular season..or preseason.

Maybe next time, some of you will think instead of getting caught up in emotion.

lol at som many i told u so's

I did, too, but that's Ty. And if he didn't tell us before at least he's right after.

[ThunderDan]

I think Note 2 at the bottom needs to be read by every offical, just in general and not just last nights game.

Yes. But that had nothing to do with the Woodson play. The path of the ball was completely the other way. Frankly, I'm not sure it was PI at all because I don't think the the ball was in the air when contact occurred.

I am not saying that it did. It just needs to be noted to officals that contact between the O and D player is not automatically DPI (I would guess 95% of the calls are on the D).

[get louder at lambeau]

As usual, pbmax is the voice of reason around here.

Here's the Kurt Warner highlight video from NFL.com. It doubles as the Packer Pass Defense Lowlight Video-

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d815a55b7/Wild-Card-Kurt-Warner-highlights

1:52 Woodson is laying on his ass as Fitzgerald scores a TD.
2:30 Woodson is laying on his ass again as Fitzgerald scores another TD.
0:20 Woodson covers no one at all, as a WR from his side runs free for a TD.
1:40 Woodson whiffs on an attmpted pass breakup, falls on his face, and the WR runs free for a first down.
6:20 Woodson wraps up the WR, but then lets him go and falls on his ass. (This one set up the 35 yd game winning FG attempt at the end of regulation.)

Now, those of you who think Bush, or Bigby, or Giordano, or whoever else sucked, please do the same thing I just did, and show us all how they sucked, instead of just claiming it without basis.

Thanks in advance.

[Smidgeon]

As usual, pbmax is the voice of reason around here.

Here's the Kurt Warner highlight video from NFL.com. It doubles as the Packer Pass Defense Lowlight Video-

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-.....highlights

1:52 Woodson is laying on his ass as Fitzgerald scores a TD.
2:30 Woodson is laying on his ass again as Fitzgerald scores another TD.
0:20 Woodson covers no one at all, as a WR from his side runs free for a TD.
1:40 Woodson whiffs on an attmpted pass breakup, falls on his face, and the WR runs free for a first down.
6:20 Woodson wraps up the WR, but then lets him go and falls on his ass. (This one set up the 35 yd game winning FG attempt at the end of regulation.)

Now, those of you who think Bush, or Bigby, or Giordano, or whoever else sucked, please do the same thing I just did, and show us all how they sucked, instead of just claiming it without basis.

Thanks in advance.

I'm assuming you read the previous posts in this thread about my opinion on Woodson's coverage?

[get louder at lambeau]

As usual, pbmax is the voice of reason around here.

Here's the Kurt Warner highlight video from NFL.com. It doubles as the Packer Pass Defense Lowlight Video-

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-.....highlights

1:52 Woodson is laying on his ass as Fitzgerald scores a TD.
2:30 Woodson is laying on his ass again as Fitzgerald scores another TD.
0:20 Woodson covers no one at all, as a WR from his side runs free for a TD.
1:40 Woodson whiffs on an attmpted pass breakup, falls on his face, and the WR runs free for a first down.
6:20 Woodson wraps up the WR, but then lets him go and falls on his ass. (This one set up the 35 yd game winning FG attempt at the end of regulation.)

Now, those of you who think Bush, or Bigby, or Giordano, or whoever else sucked, please do the same thing I just did, and show us all how they sucked, instead of just claiming it without basis.

Thanks in advance.

I'm assuming you read the previous posts in this thread about my opinion on Woodson's coverage?

It seems somewhat reasonable to say Fitz should get a penalty, but what penalty, and is it just because we area Packer fans seeing through green and gold glasses? It's not offensive pass interference, because the ball hasn't been thrown yet, so offensive illegal contact? Do they EVER call that?

Chuck wasn't just standing there, minding his own business either, he was part of the contact. In the video, it shows a replay of the first one, and BOTH of them are hand-fighting. No way they call an offensive penalty on that in the real world. If anything, it looks like Chuck initiated contact, then Fitz took him out. The second one all you can see is Chuck running towards Fitz, then he's on his ass.

One way or another, that's 14 points that came as a direct result of Chuck on Fitz. No call. Two TDs. Can't blame anyone other than Woodson, unless you want to get ticky-tacky and blame the refs, which is always tempting.

Check out the one at the 0:20 mark and tell me what you think. I think that is a third TD that Woodson is responsible for, but can't tell for sure.

[Patler]

Personally, I thought the Woodson/Fitzgerald plays were good "no calls". The players converged at a spot on the one TD, and Fitzgerald won the encounter. So be it. As aggressive and physical as Woodson plays (Harris, too) when they get beat at their own game it is time to tip your hat to the receiver. To his credit, that's what Woodson did.

On too many plays, including one by Woodson, it seemed the Packers were too intent on ripping the ball out, and failed to make the tackles. Especially in the first half I saw defenders grabbing arms, not bodies, even when they were the first man there. A lot of extra yardage resulted from that.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All Ty is going to say is that...he told you so.

Told you Coach Wiz was smart. Told you he wouldn't show his hand. And, boom...he showed it when it counted...not some meaningless game against the us in the regular season..or preseason.

Maybe next time, some of you will think instead of getting caught up in emotion.

lol at som many i told u so's

I did, too, but that's Ty. And if he didn't tell us before at least he's right after.

Let's be clear. Ty never said that the Cards would win. Ty simply said that judging the Cards and what they could/would do based on the blowout was stupid.

Ty said the same thing in the preseason.

Ty simply stated, REPEATEDLY...go look it up, that the Cards didn't try, they played vanilla, and that Coach Wiz wasn't going to show his hand. Ty said it..it is on record. Ty said that if he were coach Wiz, going up against our D, Ty..like Wiz, wouldn't show a dang thing in a meaningless game.