Off Season Decisions to be made for 2010.

[mission]

Can't they just throw us a friggin bone and fire Campen or Slocum??

One of those should have happened minutes after the game! For the fans!

[Patler]

Re: Off Season Decisions to be made for 2010.

For McCarthy:

Campen?
- Consistency may be more important than trying to hit a homerun on someone new.

Actually, its the consistency that I am concerned with, but not the same way you are considering it.

Every year the line has performed poorly the first half of the season.
A raft of young players have been brought in, and seem to stay the same as when they arrive. Little development or improvement.

I don't like that type of consistency.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Kampmann is over 30 and a the compensation if he leaves is maxed at a 5th round pick. Preventing him from going to Vikings is worth the extra money.

The restricted free agents can wait as there is no warning about a CBA arriving anytime soon.

Kampmann and Pickett are the big contracts. Collins, Colledge, Jolly and the others are restricted free agents.

When it comes to the new free agency rules Thompson was wise to have a young team the can be retain inexpensively.

[Patler]

Kampmann is over 30 and a the compensation if he leaves is maxed at a 5th round pick. Preventing him from going to Vikings is worth the extra money.

The restricted free agents can wait as there is no warning about a CBA arriving anytime soon.

Kampmann and Pickett are the big contracts. Collins, Colledge, Jolly and the others are restricted free agents.

When it comes to the new free agency rules Thompson was wise to have a young team the can be retain inexpensively.

I don't think TT will make Collins play for the RFA contract, unless Collins' demands for a longer contract are exorbitant. He re-upped Jennings last year when he could have made him continue to play under his rookie contract, and then dealt with him as an RFA after this season.

TT has a history of trying to be fair with players who are underpaid relative to their performance. He has even redone a couple contracts without extending their term. I believe Tauscher's last one was that way, and perhaps Harris. That is somewhat unusual.

There were reasons not to redo Collins for this season, primarily to see if he fit in the new defense and because he got a very sizable increase under his existing contract anyway for having made the Pro Bowl last year. With that increase, Collins was not so very underpaid.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I think if Cliffy or Tausch wants serious money, TT will simply say thank you for your contributions to the organization and best of luck. Call me for a one-day contract when you are ready to hang 'em up, similar to Wahle & Rivera a couple seasons ago.

Bush must be trimmed.

Need serious depth/starter at CB and OL.

I'd be surprised if they don't have a third QB next year. I also think they will be down to two FB's.

Probably add another young WR too.

[Smidgeon]

I think if Cliffy or Tausch wants serious money, TT will simply say thank you for your contributions to the organization and best of luck. Call me for a one-day contract when you are ready to hang 'em up, similar to Wahle & Rivera a couple seasons ago.

Bush must be trimmed.

Need serious depth/starter at CB and OL.

I'd be surprised if they don't have a third QB next year. I also think they will be down to two FB's.

Probably add another young WR too.

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[denverYooper]

We should offer our first rounder next year to Denver for Clady.



If only...

[pbmax]

We should offer our first rounder next year to Denver for Clady.



If only...

We may need a backup plan now that Mangini can't trade Joe Thomas anymore.

[denverYooper]

We should offer our first rounder next year to Denver for Clady.



If only...

We may need a backup plan now that Mangini can't trade Joe Thomas anymore.

We were so close at the trade deadline, too.

[ThunderDan]

We should offer our first rounder next year to Denver for Clady.



If only...

We may need a backup plan now that Mangini can't trade Joe Thomas anymore.

We were so close at the trade deadline, too.

I tell you my "scouts" and "insiders" told me it was almost a done deal!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Bush must be trimmed.

Listen up lady rats!

[Packers4Ever]

If the Packers tag Kampman they will be stuck with him for the year. Nobody in their right mind would take on that kind of contract for an over-30 player coming off a major knee injury, let alone give up a draft pick for one! That injury sucked for Kampman but it sucked for GB too because it means that they're going to have to let him go with no compensation...No way does Kampman re-sign with GB to play in the 3-4 again.

I would prioritize re-signing Pickett and Collins. It sounds like Pickett must be more signable than Collins; what is Collins's status: is he restricted or un? If restricted, hopefully he does not become a major problem if he only gets offered a one-year deal. My intuition tells me that Colledge is as good as gone. Somebody is going to overpay based on his supposedly high ceiling, and the Packers should know by now that he is both inconsistent and not an especially team oriented kind of guy. That means that OL continues to be a highly unsettled unit for GB.

Your last line here confuses me, I understood last fall that O line was much better.... Rodgers more settled playing conditions, he had the protection he should have been enjoying, his Int. dropped way down, he was able to pass (given more time) also stay in pocket longer as well as drop sack count way down.

Now I'm reading that the O Line is in trouble, an "unsettled unit?" Are we going to be shuffling tackles, guards, etc....around again this year? I thought that had all been settled, no? ( see above)
Thanks!

[Smidgeon]

If the Packers tag Kampman they will be stuck with him for the year. Nobody in their right mind would take on that kind of contract for an over-30 player coming off a major knee injury, let alone give up a draft pick for one! That injury sucked for Kampman but it sucked for GB too because it means that they're going to have to let him go with no compensation...No way does Kampman re-sign with GB to play in the 3-4 again.

I would prioritize re-signing Pickett and Collins. It sounds like Pickett must be more signable than Collins; what is Collins's status: is he restricted or un? If restricted, hopefully he does not become a major problem if he only gets offered a one-year deal. My intuition tells me that Colledge is as good as gone. Somebody is going to overpay based on his supposedly high ceiling, and the Packers should know by now that he is both inconsistent and not an especially team oriented kind of guy. That means that OL continues to be a highly unsettled unit for GB.

Your last line here confuses me, I understood last fall that O line was much better.... Rodgers more settled playing conditions, he had the protection he should have been enjoying, his Int. dropped way down, he was able to pass (given more time) also stay in pocket longer as well as drop sack count way down.

Now I'm reading that the O Line is in trouble, an "unsettled unit?" Are we going to be shuffling tackles, guards, etc....around again this year? I thought that had all been settled, no? ( see above)
Thanks!

The only shuffling that will happen will be Clifton and Tauscher shuffling to the bathroom in a nursing home...

In all seriousness, both have to prove they can even last an entire season. That alone will be enough to leave the line unsettled. At the very least viable back up options need to be found if the team decides to stick with those two as starters. College needs to be pushed, and Spitz needs to come back strong. Lang likely starts somewhere on the line next year depending on what GB can pick up in the offseason. I think he'll be LG or RT with a very outside shot at LT. Not a very settled line for next year. We'll see.

[3irty1]

Kampman has no trade value and might not be worth the tag for us either. Personally I don't think the 3-4 was the problem, I have a feeling he'd have had a disappointing year in any scheme. He's just not the guy he used to be. His presence handcuffs the defense since his actual pass rush isn't good enough to justify sending him instead of CM3 on 90% of plays.

[sharpe1027]

Re: Off Season Decisions to be made for 2010.

For McCarthy:

Campen?
- Consistency may be more important than trying to hit a homerun on someone new.

Actually, its the consistency that I am concerned with, but not the same way you are considering it.

Every year the line has performed poorly the first half of the season.
A raft of young players have been brought in, and seem to stay the same as when they arrive. Little development or improvement.

I don't like that type of consistency.

This year's struggles really seemed to be about Barbre, and quite frankly he did improve. Also, it's not fair to discount how well Lang developed/played.

IDK, the line held up well in the second half. Bringing in someone else has a risk of worsening the situation rather than improving it. In this particular case, I'm not sure you rock the boat.

Maybe they can bring in a relatively unproven coach with upside to work under Campen for a year and then make a decision.