Did We Get Suckered In GB v. Arz I?

[Smidgeon]

Trevor Ford, Josh Bell, Brandon Underwood, Jarret Bush.

Any of the above should never touch the field at this time, however all did at one point or another due to injuries.

Is Trevor Ford still on the team?

[pbmax]

KYP, Capers mentioned in the article to day that the other base pass defense option was four deep, compared to the 2 deep they ran. In 2 deep, the safeties are first providing help to the outside CBs on each half of the field. That much I get.

What is four deep? Capers mentions this as an option to help the interior, but how does 4 deep help the middle? Is it that there is deep help closer to the middle? If he is describing quarters coverage, how does this fail to assist the outside guys?

[Smidgeon]

Apparently Trevor Ford is still on the team, but per PFT was inactive for the game:

The Packers' inactives are wide receiver Patrick Williams, safety Derrick Martin, cornerback Trevor Ford, fullback Quinn Johnson, tackles Breno Giacomini and Allen Barbre, nose tackle Anthony Toribio and defensive end Mike Montgomery.

EDIT: I knew who you meant by "Ford", but I thought he was cut a while ago.

[KYPack]

KYP, Capers mentioned in the article to day that the other base pass defense option was four deep, compared to the 2 deep they ran. In 2 deep, the safeties are first providing help to the outside CBs on each half of the field. That much I get.

What is four deep? Capers mentions this as an option to help the interior, but how does 4 deep help the middle? Is it that there is deep help closer to the middle? If he is describing quarters coverage, how does this fail to assist the outside guys?

It's really like cover 6. The first option in vanilla cover 6 is two guys in quarters (strong side) and the other deep guy with half the field.

4 across the back is quarters. The old way was zone on top, man or match-up underneath. 95% of the time, 4 deep in quarters is cover 7.

It's deep help and gives you help on the outside and middle coverage also.

It's a "emergency" defense and if you have to go to that one, it means nobody is covering real good.

Sopmewhere after the game, I'm sure the coaches got around the beer and said things like "We sent in in everything we had, but the guys didn't cover for shit" or something like that.

[sheepshead]

I alluded to this before. I think Ken Whisenhut is a very good HC and he schooled MM big time. He out coached us in that 8 day span no question.

The 2 best coaches in the NFC will meet this weekend in N.O. and the winner will go on to the SB in my opinion. That might even be the AZ Cards.

[pbmax]

KYP, Capers mentioned in the article to day that the other base pass defense option was four deep, compared to the 2 deep they ran. In 2 deep, the safeties are first providing help to the outside CBs on each half of the field. That much I get.

What is four deep? Capers mentions this as an option to help the interior, but how does 4 deep help the middle? Is it that there is deep help closer to the middle? If he is describing quarters coverage, how does this fail to assist the outside guys?

It's really like cover 6. The first option in vanilla cover 6 is two guys in quarters (strong side) and the other deep guy with half the field.

4 across the back is quarters. The old way was zone on top, man or match-up underneath. 95% of the time, 4 deep in quarters is cover 7.

It's deep help and gives you help on the outside and middle coverage also.

It's a "emergency" defense and if you have to go to that one, it means nobody is covering real good.

Sopmewhere after the game, I'm sure the coaches got around the beer and said things like "We sent in in everything we had, but the guys didn't cover for shit" or something like that.

For Sheep, winning by 6 in OT is schooling someone?

KY, that is the definition I am aware of, but I fail to see how that supports the middle of the pass defense more, except deep. He must mean that those four in back are playing much closer to the LOS than normal. Because with two CBs up front plus one LB (or one CB and 2 LBs in nickel) there isn't a lot of coverage underneath.

[hoosier]

Despite what Wist seems to think, Capers was not actually out on the field covering people--or failing to cover. After reading the Capers interview it sounds to me like the major problem last Sunday was not the scheme but the execution. For whatever reason the Packers DBs and LBs just came out flat and didn't perform the way they were capable of. No doubt it didn't help matters that Warner was on fire and the GB offense couldn't protect the ball, so when they got down 17-0 they began pressing and trying for big plays instead of focusing on getting the receivers to the ground. It all begins to sound to me like a kind of "perfect storm" that led to GBs downfall. I really am wondering what would happen if that game were played 10 times. Something tells me the Packers would win at least 6 of them.

[wist43]

Yes, surely continuing on the course we were on was the way to go

If the DB's and LB's were collectively brain dead... simplify it, play more man, and say, "hey moron, just run with that guy there." Perhaps we might have only given up 38 pts instead of 51???

If the game plan isn't working, if the players aren't executing the game plan... the DC had better have a plan B to at least stop the bleeding to some degree. Saying, "Ah shucks, the players just didn't execute the game plan" doesn't cut it.

All one need do is look at the numbers... Capers should be embarrassed, and to shift blame and make excuses demonstrates a lack of leadership. Even if it is valid to say the players didn't execute the game plan... isn't that Capers fault as well???

Did General Lee blame his soldiers at Gettysburg???

[sheepshead]

KYP, Capers mentioned in the article to day that the other base pass defense option was four deep, compared to the 2 deep they ran. In 2 deep, the safeties are first providing help to the outside CBs on each half of the field. That much I get.

What is four deep? Capers mentions this as an option to help the interior, but how does 4 deep help the middle? Is it that there is deep help closer to the middle? If he is describing quarters coverage, how does this fail to assist the outside guys?

It's really like cover 6. The first option in vanilla cover 6 is two guys in quarters (strong side) and the other deep guy with half the field.

4 across the back is quarters. The old way was zone on top, man or match-up underneath. 95% of the time, 4 deep in quarters is cover 7.

It's deep help and gives you help on the outside and middle coverage also.

It's a "emergency" defense and if you have to go to that one, it means nobody is covering real good.

Sopmewhere after the game, I'm sure the coaches got around the beer and said things like "We sent in in everything we had, but the guys didn't cover for shit" or something like that.

For Sheep, winning by 6 in OT is schooling someone?

KY, that is the definition I am aware of, but I fail to see how that supports the middle of the pass defense more, except deep. He must mean that those four in back are playing much closer to the LOS than normal. Because with two CBs up front plus one LB (or one CB and 2 LBs in nickel) there isn't a lot of coverage underneath.

You dont think we have the better team?

[pbmax]

KYP, Capers mentioned in the article to day that the other base pass defense option was four deep, compared to the 2 deep they ran. In 2 deep, the safeties are first providing help to the outside CBs on each half of the field. That much I get.

What is four deep? Capers mentions this as an option to help the interior, but how does 4 deep help the middle? Is it that there is deep help closer to the middle? If he is describing quarters coverage, how does this fail to assist the outside guys?

It's really like cover 6. The first option in vanilla cover 6 is two guys in quarters (strong side) and the other deep guy with half the field.

4 across the back is quarters. The old way was zone on top, man or match-up underneath. 95% of the time, 4 deep in quarters is cover 7.

It's deep help and gives you help on the outside and middle coverage also.

It's a "emergency" defense and if you have to go to that one, it means nobody is covering real good.

Sopmewhere after the game, I'm sure the coaches got around the beer and said things like "We sent in in everything we had, but the guys didn't cover for shit" or something like that.

For Sheep, winning by 6 in OT is schooling someone?

KY, that is the definition I am aware of, but I fail to see how that supports the middle of the pass defense more, except deep. He must mean that those four in back are playing much closer to the LOS than normal. Because with two CBs up front plus one LB (or one CB and 2 LBs in nickel) there isn't a lot of coverage underneath.

You dont think we have the better team?

Yes. But not enough where a six point loss surprises me. The scale of the loss does, but if it had been 34-28, I would not have been shocked.

[sheepshead]

Ok, combine that with MM puffing out his chest in week 17. The over confidence I thought the team exhibited after the preseason blow out and I think KW has gotten the better of MM. I'm not a big MM fan these days.