Colledge - Worse than Whitticker?

[mission]

those numbers are startling... including his stint at LT or not.

[Patler]

I seem to remember a ton of DC homerism before the season.....I thought there was a thread annointing him as possibly our best OL. Dude has a ton of ability but something just doesn't seem to be there

My complaint for some time has been that he is not tenacious. I see him getting beat without touching anyone, or lying on his back, or spinning around to watch his man take a bead on the QB.

Contrast that with a play I saw from Lang against Arizona. Lang got beaten cleanly on the snap, looked a half step slow, and I immediately thought Rodgers was going to get crushed. Lang stumbled backwards, off balance and all, but thrusting his arms backward against the DE's shoulder pads. It was all he could reach. He managed to slow the DE just a little, affected his balance just a little, changed his angle just a little, and Rodgers got the pass away as the DE got close. Colledge would have either tackled the DE and gotten a penalty, or walked back to help Rodgers to his feet.

Tauscher plays the same as Lang did on that one, never gives up on a play, no matter how little he seems to be doing. Often it is just enough to allow the play a chance. Colledge seems to give up on plays.

[Joemailman]

Geeze, half the people on here the last two years excused Colledge for playing out of position at guard, insisting that his best position was tackle.

JS recognized the time at LT. O-linemen move around when injuries happen. Spitz has played three positions, and played two this season. Lang has been all over, too, I believe playing three positions this year. Colledge is a four year vet who just doesn't seem to have the toughness required to be a consistent O-lineman, regardless of where he plays.

I thought he was slated for a big year, but I have not thought he was a tackle in quite some time. But even if you adjust those numbers for the stint at tackle and then prorate, its not a pretty picture. He was a mess at times.

I seem to remember a ton of DC homerism before the season.....I thought there was a thread annointing him as possibly our best OL. Dude has a ton of ability but something just doesn't seem to be there

I thought he played well last year and there was reason to be optimistic about this year. Obviously he's been a big disappointment. If the Packers bring him back, it has to be with the understanding that he has to fight for a position on the team. Of course, that has an impact on how much you're willing to pay him. I suspect he'll get a better offer somewhere else.

[pbmax]

Geeze, half the people on here the last two years excused Colledge for playing out of position at guard, insisting that his best position was tackle.

JS recognized the time at LT. O-linemen move around when injuries happen. Spitz has played three positions, and played two this season. Lang has been all over, too, I believe playing three positions this year. Colledge is a four year vet who just doesn't seem to have the toughness required to be a consistent O-lineman, regardless of where he plays.

I thought he was slated for a big year, but I have not thought he was a tackle in quite some time. But even if you adjust those numbers for the stint at tackle and then prorate, its not a pretty picture. He was a mess at times.

I seem to remember a ton of DC homerism before the season.....I thought there was a thread annointing him as possibly our best OL. Dude has a ton of ability but something just doesn't seem to be there

Best OL doesn't mean Left Tackle. But he played worse this year. Patler may be on to the reason why, but I couldn't say for sure.

I will say this, this OL played so bad this season (esp. early) that he still might be the best, as sad as that might be. Remember, McCarthy and Rodgers had to alter to the gameplan even after Tauscher came back.

[steve823]

So if Colledge is gone after this year does that mean we move Spitz to LG and Wells to C...or put Lang at LG and Spitz/Wells at C.

You never know with this O-line what's going to happen. The only people I am confident in for the future are Sitton and Lang. Let's hope we can get at least 1 solid o-lineman in the offseason.

[mmmdk]

It all becomes more clearly now...none of you posters went to Colledge!?...when the probowl votes were given by y'all

[The Leaper]

The guy is mediocre at best...and bad at worst. After this much time to develop, he will clearly never become a reliable starter.

Got to look elsewhere.

[Lurker64]

So if Colledge is gone after this year does that mean we move Spitz to LG and Wells to C...or put Lang at LG and Spitz/Wells at C.

You never know with this O-line what's going to happen. The only people I am confident in for the future are Sitton and Lang. Let's hope we can get at least 1 solid o-lineman in the offseason.

I would think next year could look like:

LT?/Spitz/Wells/Sitton/Lang.

[steve823]

So if Colledge is gone after this year does that mean we move Spitz to LG and Wells to C...or put Lang at LG and Spitz/Wells at C.

You never know with this O-line what's going to happen. The only people I am confident in for the future are Sitton and Lang. Let's hope we can get at least 1 solid o-lineman in the offseason.

I would think next year could look like:

LT?/Spitz/Wells/Sitton/Lang.

Let's hope so. Having Sitton and Lang on the right side would be a pretty dam good right side. Wells and Spitz aren't stars but aren't bad either so I'll deal with it. Let's hope we can get a good LT.

I would still love to see the Pack get a good Center in the draft since you can get a decent one with a later pick. Wells is just too small for C.

[KYPack]

There were a lot of guys bragging on Colledge last season. He played much better in '08 than this year.

Patler sums up a lot of his failures. One thing drives me crazy. He can make 95% of the plays that need to be made. He just doesn't ever have sustained, consistent effort. He can make some spectacular plays pulling and blocking downfield. Every once in awhile, he gets to the second level and tears ass up. He's a decent athlete, but maddeningly inconsistent.

He doesn't drive block with a lot of force. He should have the juice to drive block, but after all this time, I have to doubt his heart. He has another tendency that drives me nuts. If he gets beat in his pass pro, he does two awful things. 1. he gets flat footed. 2. He goes into a shell.

He added weight this season and now looks like an NFL guard, but the extra weight didn't add up to additional shove in his game. I don't know what they'll do with the boy, but Spitz has played LG sparingly and has never shined at the spot. We have gone far too long with all of TT's kiddie corp at OL. if they run Colledge off, which seems to be the consensus, Spitz could be the last guy left. I don't think anyone thinks he will ever be a star player.

We've waited a long time for very little to show for it.

[3irty1]

DC imo was our best OL-man in 2008. With Clifton and Tauscher both having down years. This year Sitton was our best OL-man.

[pbmax]

Casey Hampton was said to have a down year this year and there are calls to get his replacement ready. Even if that is an overreaction, he went through Wells like he was an orange traffic cone when he was in the game. I still think Spitz lands at center, but if Lang is indeed the RT, then there may be two holes in the left side.

[KYPack]

Casey Hampton was said to have a down year this year and there are calls to get his replacement ready. Even if that is an overreaction, he went through Wells like he was an orange traffic cone when he was in the game. I still think Spitz lands at center, but if Lang is indeed the RT, then there may be two holes in the left side.

What I hope we don't do is keep such a cavalier atitude about building/replacing OLineman. Under the Wolf organization, Ron would pull out all the stops to patch the line. When LT was a problem, he would burn #1 picks and bring in a whole raft of FA's. You have to, sometimes that won't even get you a decent OT.

Under TT/MM, they don't try much of anything. When Tausch was down & gone last off season, we stood pat for some reason. These guys just announced they would move a failed/back-up guard to OT. I was so under the influence of the Kool-aide, I bought it for a bit. Not this year, we need to make some moves. Sign a decent FA and a whole passel of street FA's. Use a high pick and get a top kid and some college FA's. We need support in that Oline, & not just bring in a herd of college kids, either.

[pbmax]

Casey Hampton was said to have a down year this year and there are calls to get his replacement ready. Even if that is an overreaction, he went through Wells like he was an orange traffic cone when he was in the game. I still think Spitz lands at center, but if Lang is indeed the RT, then there may be two holes in the left side.

What I hope we don't do is keep such a cavalier atitude about building/replacing OLineman. Under the Wolf organization, Ron would pull out all the stops to patch the line. When LT was a problem, he would burn #1 picks and bring in a whole raft of FA's. You have to, sometimes that won't even get you a decent OT.

Under TT/MM, they don't try much of anything. When Tausch was down & gone last off season, we stood pat for some reason. These guys just announced they would move a failed/back-up guard to OT. I was so under the influence of the Kool-aide, I bought it for a bit. Not this year, we need to make some moves. Sign a decent FA and a whole passel of street FA's. Use a high pick and get a top kid and some college FA's. We need support in that Oline, & not just bring in a herd of college kids, either.

I get the point, but its too much to say they don't do much of anything. We are just begging the question here. Funny that when folks are looking to argue for FA everyone has moved on to the New Orleans secondary and Bruce Wilkerson and conveniently forgotten the Bears and Eagles O line signings. No one remembers the failures when discussing FA.

They have drafted more O lineman than anything else under Thompson. At RT they had Barbre, a second (or third?) year guy in Giacomini and a draftee in Lang at the start of camp. The real question is how on earth was the decision made early to move Lang to guard after watching Barbre and Giacomini for weeks on end. That kind of lunacy should be fireable.

I would say that like Matthews, Thompson might need to target someone in the first two rounds that he knows can be successful right away. And get him.

[Patler]

In five drafts TT has brought in 10 O-linemen, one second round, one third, three fourths, four fifths and a seventh. Not the highest of picks, but most clustered in the middle of the draft. Ten players, with nothing of significance to show for it. I have to question the coaching performance in making them into NFL caliber players. (I know, I am like a broken record on this topic.)