Five things I think I think.

[Brandon494]

Re: Five things I think I think.

Has any quarterback lost as many NFC championship games as Brett?

I was thinking about this the other day--well, about how many NFC Championship games he's been in. Anyone got any statistics about how many times he's been in the NFC Championship game versus other historic QBs?

He is 2-3 in NFC Championship games.

Also find it funny he has thrown an INT on his last pass for the Packers, Jets, and Vikings.

I do believe Favre could and would have won more championship games if he had a better HC to keep him under control. If Holmgren would not have left we would have atleast won another championship IMO.

[packers11]

Re: Five things I think I think.

Has any quarterback lost as many NFC championship games as Brett?

I was thinking about this the other day--well, about how many NFC Championship games he's been in. Anyone got any statistics about how many times he's been in the NFC Championship game versus other historic QBs?

He is 2-3 in NFC Championship games.

Also find it funny he has thrown an INT on his last pass for the Packers, Jets, and Vikings.

I do believe Favre could and would have won more championship games if he had a better HC to keep him under control. If Holmgren would not have left we would have atleast won another championship IMO.

I know for a fact Mcnabb has been in 5-6 NFC-C games and has only been to one superbowl...

and I agree if Favre wasn't allowed to do whatever he pleased under Shermy, we probably would have another ring...

[sheepshead]

Re: Five things I think I think.

Has any quarterback lost as many NFC championship games as Brett?

I was thinking about this the other day--well, about how many NFC Championship games he's been in. Anyone got any statistics about how many times he's been in the NFC Championship game versus other historic QBs?

He is 2-3 in NFC Championship games.

Also find it funny he has thrown an INT on his last pass for the Packers, Jets, and Vikings.

I do believe Favre could and would have won more championship games if he had a better HC to keep him under control. If Holmgren would not have left we would have atleast won another championship IMO.

Wait, who holds the most blame for the loss of Super Bowl 32 if not Mike Holmgren?

[The Shadow]

Like I said, I knew I would take heat for #3. I know he went to 2 straight Super Bowls, I get that, but since then, his resume is not great. I know the 98 playoffs vs. SF was probably the inability for the defense to stop the 49ers, but we lost. In the past decade, we've had some ugly playoff games.

Favre's 5 INT's vs. St. Louis, Mike Vick completely out playing Favre in Lambeau, Culpepper completely out playing Favre in Lambeau, Eli Manning out played Favre in the NFC Championship in Lambeau, heck even Hasselback out played Favre in the playoffs even though we "took the ball and scored" in OT. I know the fact we lost to Philly was more on the shoulders of the Defense for the 4th & 26, but Favre did throw the stupid INT in OT.

That's the resume I am talking about.

I know he had a great Divisional game for us in 07, and Minny this year, but the NFC Championship games haven't turned out well for him. I know it was only because of him that Minny was in the game yesterday, but in the end, he cost them...even though I will say Childress cost them more.

I don't think you should take any heat; your comments are valid.

[Brandon494]

Re: Five things I think I think.

Has any quarterback lost as many NFC championship games as Brett?

I was thinking about this the other day--well, about how many NFC Championship games he's been in. Anyone got any statistics about how many times he's been in the NFC Championship game versus other historic QBs?

He is 2-3 in NFC Championship games.

Also find it funny he has thrown an INT on his last pass for the Packers, Jets, and Vikings.

I do believe Favre could and would have won more championship games if he had a better HC to keep him under control. If Holmgren would not have left we would have atleast won another championship IMO.

Wait, who holds the most blame for the loss of Super Bowl 32 if not Mike Holmgren?

I don't really blame Holmgren for that game, TD just had the game of his life.

[Joemailman]

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Chilli is God Awful. He is the best thing to happen to the Pack and the North since Mike Tice.

So what are you saying about the rest of the North given that Chilly has won the last 2 division titles?

[sheepshead]

Packers were 13 point favorites. Many players have since said they were not ready to play. Fucked around for 2 weeks. One running back does not beat a team. Mike Holmgren hosed us and history will show him as a mediocre head coach and a terrible GM who got fired in his only stint. The Browns will continue as NFL doormats.

[sheepshead]

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Chilli is God Awful. He is the best thing to happen to the Pack and the North since Mike Tice.

So what are you saying about the rest of the North given that Chilly has won the last 2 division titles?

I know, following any sort of logic on here sometimes is challenging. Maybe he doesnt like the looks of him or something.

[The Leaper]

Favre's 5 INT's vs. St. Louis

I'd like to see Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana...anyone...beat the Greatest Show on Turf in their own crib with Bill Schroeder and Antonio Freeman at WR. Sorry, but we simply didn't match up with STL there...hardly Favre's fault.

Mike Vick completely out playing Favre in Lambeau

If you'll remember...half our offensive starters were injured going into that game. Favre did play poorly and deserves criticism, but it wasn't like he choked away a certain win. Atlanta probably was the better team on the field that day, injuries considered.

Culpepper completely out playing Favre in Lambeau

That is probably the best example of a choke...although I think those two teams were very evenly matched, and beating the same team 3 times in a season is difficult.

Eli Manning out played Favre in the NFC Championship in Lambeau

Yeah, Favre made a horrible pass at the end that lost the game...but Eli certainly did not outplay Favre IMO. The Giants should have won the game by 20 points considering how lopsided that game was played. Favre kept GB in it with 2 TD passes on a wickedly cold day. Al Harris got torched by Burress...that's the matchup we got killed at.

heck even Hasselback out played Favre in the playoffs even though we "took the ball and scored" in OT.

What? Favre tossed for 319 yards and 0 INTs in that game. Hasselbeck certainly did not outplay him.

Favre was put in a position to succeed early in his career...and did so. Favre is not a cerebral QB like Manning or Montana. He needs a strong, capable HC to focus him and guide him. Holmgren was up to the task...Rhodes and Sherman clearly were not. McCarthy has the ability to be the kind of coach Favre needed...but lacked the experience as a first time HC without a strong coaching staff around him to gain Favre's complete respect IMO.

Favre is not the best big-game QB of all-time...but he's won plenty of big games, and is easily one of the top 10 QBs of all-time. So what's your point again? He's just a choker that somehow lucked his way into being a top ten all-time NFL QB??

The dude is 40...FRICKEN 40...and is still performing as well as guys almost half his age. Get off the guy's ass.

[Gunakor]

payton is far and away a better HC than MM right now. Chilly did a better job then MM in my opinion this year. MM could be our guy but he needs to start winning playoff games quickly.

This statement reminds me of the debate a couple seasons ago when MM was crowned Coach of the Year. Would Chilly have done a better job than MM this year if Tavaris Jackson was his starting QB for 18 games? Because the near consensus here was that MM was a beneficiary of having Favre at QB when he won that award. I wonder if this same logic applies to Childress this year as it did to MM following the 2007 season.

As far as Payton goes, I agree 100%. I think he's one of the finest coaches in the league. There aren't many better ones IMO, and MM certainly isn't one of them.

[HowardRoark]

I think I think I agree with your post. I would take it a step further and posit that Brett has a Fear of Success. How can an 18 year veteran, first ballot Hall of Famer make those throws to keep himself (and team) out of Super Bowls?

As Joe Posnanski said in CNNSI:

Yes, I shouted "Run!" at the TV. It was a reflex. But, of course, Brett Favre did not run. He clearly had no intention of running. Instead, he attempted the single dumbest pass anyone can remember -- a rolling right, throwing left, cross-his-body back-to-the-middle-of-the-field pass, the sort of pass they teach you not to throw about 47 minutes after you are born.*

*First lesson: This is how you breast feed. Second lesson: Cry and someone will change your diaper. Third lesson: In the NFL, you don't throw across your body back into the middle of the field.

The play has been dissected to death already -- and rightfully so -- and there is no shortage of things Favre SHOULD HAVE DONE instead of throwing that pass. Hell, he could have stopped in the middle of the play and started doing an interpretive dance to protest the treatment of Conan O'Brien and THAT would have been smarter than what he did.

Up here in MN, they are circling the wagons around Brett and making sure everyone understands the loss wasn't his fault...it was all the other reasons. The bottom line is that Brett is the one who put the final nail in the coffin with his action. And this was not the first time.

[Tarlam!]

One of the most respected posters on PR wrote to me and asked me to come and post again and I declined respectfully. My reason is simple: I don't like the way Joe treated a dispute I had with Mobb Deep and I decided this place was no longer "my home". So I moved out. I'm sure most of you are down with that as I am No regrets..

But I care a lot about PR. I was one of the first members here and I'm quite proud of what a bunch of renegades from JSO have been able to achieve.

So, I feel obliged to point out what a bunch of fucktards you have all become.

Every thread where someone just mentions Favre, it seems, goes to a Favre debate. This, despite the "one Favre thread" rule that we all agreed to.

It's time for you all to grow up - all of you.

[sheepshead]

Ohhh no...

[Bossman641]

I think Sean Payton is a good coach, but if that were the Packers playing Sunday and MM was calling the plays Payton did you know he would be getting ripped to shreds on this board right now. So while I think Payton is one of the better coaches, I'm not ready to say he is head and shoulders above MM.

[mraynrand]

So, I feel obliged to point out what a bunch of fucktards you have all become.

You have fulfilled your obligation. Thanks for checking in. How 'bout them Colts? BOMNF