Agent: Packers won't ask Hawk to take pay cut

[Brandon494]

Yea Finley is nice but having V Davis and Finley is awhole lot nicer.

[Patler]

Yea Finley is nice but having V Davis and Finley is awhole lot nicer.

Nah, you could never have both on the same team and satisfy them. I want one super pass catching TE, a complement TE and two upper level WRs with competent backups. I actually sort of like the Packers group, except for Lee's decline. A solid blocking TE with average pass catching ability is what they need, not another like Finley or Davis.

[Brandon494]

Yea Finley is nice but having V Davis and Finley is awhole lot nicer.

Nah, you could never have both on the same team and satisfy them. I want one super pass catching TE, a complement TE and two upper level WRs with competent backups. I actually sort of like the Packers group, except for Lee's decline. A solid blocking TE with average pass catching ability is what they need, not another like Finley or Davis.

Why not? You can have two stud WRs or two stud RBs on a team so why not TEs? Dallas has two very talented TEs in Witten and Bennett.

I mean do you realize how difficult that is for a defense to defend a team with Davis and Finley in a two TE formation?

[Patler]

Why not? You can have two stud WRs or two stud RBs on a team so why not TEs? Dallas has two very talented TEs in Witten and Bennett.

I mean do you realize how difficult that is for a defense to defend a team with Davis and Finley in a two TE formation?

How many two tight end plays do you want to run each game?
I want one stud TE in the prime of his career and a solid second, maybe a former stud who's career is winding down so he is satisfied with fewer snaps/game.

[BZnDallas]

Marty B was quite a disappointment down here in Big D this past year... i'm happy we got Finley and Dallas got Bennett... i dont know much about Finley and the media but Marty B is def a great interview on the radio... he has a weekly show during the season down here and it is radio gold every week... which i think is one reason people seem to over rate his play on the field... GB got the better TE in that draft between the 2... but thats just one mans opinion...

[Brandon494]

Why not? You can have two stud WRs or two stud RBs on a team so why not TEs? Dallas has two very talented TEs in Witten and Bennett.

I mean do you realize how difficult that is for a defense to defend a team with Davis and Finley in a two TE formation?

How many two tight end plays do you want to run each game?
I want one stud TE in the prime of his career and a solid second, maybe a former stud who's career is winding down so he is satisfied with fewer snaps/game.

Yea but both Finley and Davis are talented enough to also line up at WR. No team has really had two stud TEs so its hard to say how well it would work out but I think he would cause huge mismatches to the defense. LB cant cover either of those guys and if they bring in DBs to cover them you could just run out of the 2 TE formation. Also playaction would be very effective out of this formation.

[Brandon494]

Marty B was quite a disappointment down here in Big D this past year... i'm happy we got Finley and Dallas got Bennett... i dont know much about Finley and the media but Marty B is def a great interview on the radio... he has a weekly show during the season down here and it is radio gold every week... which i think is one reason people seem to over rate his play on the field... GB got the better TE in that draft between the 2... but thats just one mans opinion...

Oh no doubt Finley is the better of the two but Bennett is still very young and has a lot of talent, just needs to get his head straight and focus more on football like Finley did this season.

[Brandon494]

Marty B was quite a disappointment down here in Big D this past year... i'm happy we got Finley and Dallas got Bennett... i dont know much about Finley and the media but Marty B is def a great interview on the radio... he has a weekly show during the season down here and it is radio gold every week... which i think is one reason people seem to over rate his play on the field... GB got the better TE in that draft between the 2... but thats just one mans opinion...

Oh no doubt Finley is the better of the two but Bennett is still young and has a lot of talent, just needs to get his head straight and focus more on football like Finley did this season.

[Deputy Nutz]

First I don't think Hawk struggles in coverage any more or less than Barnett or Chillar. Chillar seems to always get a pass because everyone calls him athletic, so they automatically think he is a coverage linebacker. Chillar was one of the main break downs in coverage over the middle in the Arizona game, he suffers in zone because he lacks feel for the game. Barnett is a bit better. It seems when Hawk gives up completions he is at least in the area of the offensive player, that he is usually in man coverage with, or playing an under zone. Half the time you can't blame Chillar because he is no where to be found.

I don't think Hawk has lived up to expectations as the 5th pick. He is no where near the player he was in college. He like all linebackers seems to have trouble taking on blockers, or avoiding the blockers and taking on the right gap. He fails to run through blockers. I, unlike some of you have a hard time finding fault with him in coverage. His blitzing is subpar, and I think Chillar and Barnett are both better blitzers. Although when they run a linebacker twist it seems Barnett gets home a lot more often when he runs it with Hawk and not Chillar.

The defense overall did a nice job of laying a heavy smoke screen. Sure they improved from last year, especially when statistics are concerned, but when they had to go up against good offenses they got blown out of the water, Minnesota twice, Pittsburgh, Arizona in the playoffs, and even the second halves of the Bears' games they struggled. The need an impact player on the other side of Mathews, they need a strong safety in the worst possible way, and they need two solid corners to play nickel and dime defense.

[pbmax]

First I don't think Hawk struggles in coverage any more or less than Barnett or Chillar. Chillar seems to always get a pass because everyone calls him athletic, so they automatically think he is a coverage linebacker. Chillar was one of the main break downs in coverage over the middle in the Arizona game, he suffers in zone because he lacks feel for the game. Barnett is a bit better. It seems when Hawk gives up completions he is at least in the area of the offensive player, that he is usually in man coverage with, or playing an under zone. Half the time you can't blame Chillar because he is no where to be found.

I don't think Hawk has lived up to expectations as the 5th pick. He is no where near the player he was in college. He like all linebackers seems to have trouble taking on blockers, or avoiding the blockers and taking on the right gap. He fails to run through blockers. I, unlike some of you have a hard time finding fault with him in coverage. His blitzing is subpar, and I think Chillar and Barnett are both better blitzers. Although when they run a linebacker twist it seems Barnett gets home a lot more often when he runs it with Hawk and not Chillar.

The defense overall did a nice job of laying a heavy smoke screen. Sure they improved from last year, especially when statistics are concerned, but when they had to go up against good offenses they got blown out of the water, Minnesota twice, Pittsburgh, Arizona in the playoffs, and even the second halves of the Bears' games they struggled. The need an impact player on the other side of Mathews, they need a strong safety in the worst possible way, and they need two solid corners to play nickel and dime defense.

Welcome back.

I would rank those needs in this order:

1) Pass rush
2) CB depth
3) Safety

The long crossing routes Arizona ran underneath after clearing out coverage and the essentially 30 yard out route that Pittsburgh ran to win the game are impossible to complete with a better pass rush.

[rbaloha1]

Yea Finley is nice but having V Davis and Finley is awhole lot nicer.

Nah, you could never have both on the same team and satisfy them. I want one super pass catching TE, a complement TE and two upper level WRs with competent backups. I actually sort of like the Packers group, except for Lee's decline. A solid blocking TE with average pass catching ability is what they need, not another like Finley or Davis.

Why not? You can have two stud WRs or two stud RBs on a team so why not TEs? Dallas has two very talented TEs in Witten and Bennett.

I mean do you realize how difficult that is for a defense to defend a team with Davis and Finley in a two TE formation?

Agreed. Recall Chewy and keith jackson.

[rbaloha1]

First I don't think Hawk struggles in coverage any more or less than Barnett or Chillar. Chillar seems to always get a pass because everyone calls him athletic, so they automatically think he is a coverage linebacker. Chillar was one of the main break downs in coverage over the middle in the Arizona game, he suffers in zone because he lacks feel for the game. Barnett is a bit better. It seems when Hawk gives up completions he is at least in the area of the offensive player, that he is usually in man coverage with, or playing an under zone. Half the time you can't blame Chillar because he is no where to be found.

I don't think Hawk has lived up to expectations as the 5th pick. He is no where near the player he was in college. He like all linebackers seems to have trouble taking on blockers, or avoiding the blockers and taking on the right gap. He fails to run through blockers. I, unlike some of you have a hard time finding fault with him in coverage. His blitzing is subpar, and I think Chillar and Barnett are both better blitzers. Although when they run a linebacker twist it seems Barnett gets home a lot more often when he runs it with Hawk and not Chillar.

The defense overall did a nice job of laying a heavy smoke screen. Sure they improved from last year, especially when statistics are concerned, but when they had to go up against good offenses they got blown out of the water, Minnesota twice, Pittsburgh, Arizona in the playoffs, and even the second halves of the Bears' games they struggled. The need an impact player on the other side of Mathews, they need a strong safety in the worst possible way, and they need two solid corners to play nickel and dime defense.

Spot-on. Hawk's liabilities are exposed in the pro game.