Kiper Mock 2.0

[ThunderDan]

Pass rush is very valuable, but I don't know if Ted is dead set on drafting that 1st.

If I had to order our needs, I'd go like this:

OT
CB
S
OLB

We could use great players all over, but the ones above are bigger immediate needs.



And good LT's are every bit as rare and important as good pass rushers. This year looks pretty strong at tackle. If I had to guess our pick, I'd guess OL.

I think it is kind of funny that our D-Line was deep in 2007, a cluster-fuck in 2008 and now thought of as a strength in 2009. Should we draft D-Line to stop the drop off in 2010?

[Smidgeon]

Pass rush is very valuable, but I don't know if Ted is dead set on drafting that 1st.

If I had to order our needs, I'd go like this:

OT
CB
S
OLB

We could use great players all over, but the ones above are bigger immediate needs.



And good LT's are every bit as rare and important as good pass rushers. This year looks pretty strong at tackle. If I had to guess our pick, I'd guess OL.

I think it is kind of funny that our D-Line was deep in 2007, a cluster-fuck in 2008 and now thought of as a strength in 2009. Should we draft D-Line to stop the drop off in 2010?

Nah, Justin Harrell's coming back healthy... <fingers crossed>

But definitely disagree with drafting for need if the value isn't there. Regardless of how much GB needs an OT. DON'T REACH. That's what tanks teams (**cough**Detroit**cough**).

[RashanGary]

Outside of QB, P, K and specialist, I don't see any position where a dominate player wouldn't be a long term help to this team.

Let's say we draft Jermaine Gresham. Sure, Finley looks like an up and coming star, but it's been said by others, imagine having two Finley's on the field, two guys that can block, stretch the field and catch. I'd imagine it would be tough to defend, I imagine it would open up redzone opportunities, I imagine it would open up trade opportunities.

I just want a star. Hopefully there are a couple on the same tier and we can get one we need more. I think it's likely to be a DB, OL or pass rusher just because that's where the talent seems to be and that's our biggest needs. Not to say reach, but if there's a tie breaker, take the guy you need more and I think that it has a good chance of falling that way.

[Smidgeon]

Outside of QB, P, K and specialist, I don't see any position where a dominate player wouldn't be a long term help to this team.

Let's say we draft Jermaine Gresham. Sure, Finley looks like an up and coming star, but it's been said by others, imagine having two Finley's on the field, two guys that can block, stretch the field and catch. I'd imagine it would be tough to defend, I imagine it would open up redzone opportunities, I imagine it would open up trade opportunities.

I just want a star. Hopefully there are a couple on the same tier and we can get one we need more. I think it's likely to be a DB, OL or pass rusher just because that's where the talent seems to be and that's our biggest needs. Not to say reach, but if there's a tie breaker, take the guy you need more and I think that it has a good chance of falling that way.

My best guess is that all the value OTs will be gone by #23. I doubt anyone gets past Pittsburgh.

[Smidgeon]

Is this thread about mocking Kiper twice? Because if it is:

1) His hair is too big
2) He needs to get a life

When 3.0 comes out, I guess I'll have to add a third mockery...

[RashanGary]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

[Smidgeon]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

An elite(ish) prospect dropping to #9 is different than one dropping to #23. If one's available, I'm absolutely all for it. I just don't think it will happen. As for Matthews, his limited experience (if I remember correctly) is what caused him to drop. Turns out he projected better than thought.

[Joemailman]

Kiper's all hat and no cattle.

TT's gonna draft defense first. A pass rusher.

I think you are right and it will be OLB unless someone falls into his lap at Tackle or at DB. Would need to have a high first round grade to get him off pass rush.

Doesn't seem to be TT's M.O. to reach just to fill a need. You think he'll trade up again if he has to? My guess is that with this being a deep draft, he won't want to do that.

[Brandon494]

Still don't see TT drafting a LB with the first pick. It will either be a OT or secondary help.

[BZnDallas]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

An elite(ish) prospect dropping to #9 is different than one dropping to #23. If one's available, I'm absolutely all for it. I just don't think it will happen. As for Matthews, his limited experience (if I remember correctly) is what caused him to drop. Turns out he projected better than thought.

wasn't Michael Oher drafted 23 or something like that??

[Smidgeon]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

An elite(ish) prospect dropping to #9 is different than one dropping to #23. If one's available, I'm absolutely all for it. I just don't think it will happen. As for Matthews, his limited experience (if I remember correctly) is what caused him to drop. Turns out he projected better than thought.

wasn't Michael Oher drafted 23 or something like that??

He was, but because of his learning disability, some people weren't convinced he could learn the position well enough. At least, that's what I heard. Some people had him ranked in the top 10, some at the bottom of round 1. He wasn't (pre-draft) a consensus top tackle like Smith, Jason whats-his-name, etc.

[Brandon494]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

An elite(ish) prospect dropping to #9 is different than one dropping to #23. If one's available, I'm absolutely all for it. I just don't think it will happen. As for Matthews, his limited experience (if I remember correctly) is what caused him to drop. Turns out he projected better than thought.

wasn't Michael Oher drafted 23 or something like that??

He was, but because of his learning disability, some people weren't convinced he could learn the position well enough. At least, that's what I heard. Some people had him ranked in the top 10, some at the bottom of round 1. He wasn't (pre-draft) a consensus top tackle like Smith, Jason whats-his-name, etc.

Vikings also got Loadholt in the 2nd round so to say we can't find a tackle with the #23 pick is not true. Just because we can't get the top tackle prospect in the draft doesn't mean we can't draft a starter with the 23rd pick.

I can pretty much guarntee you that we will not draft a LB with our 1st round pick and you can quote me on that.

[Smidgeon]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

An elite(ish) prospect dropping to #9 is different than one dropping to #23. If one's available, I'm absolutely all for it. I just don't think it will happen. As for Matthews, his limited experience (if I remember correctly) is what caused him to drop. Turns out he projected better than thought.

wasn't Michael Oher drafted 23 or something like that??

He was, but because of his learning disability, some people weren't convinced he could learn the position well enough. At least, that's what I heard. Some people had him ranked in the top 10, some at the bottom of round 1. He wasn't (pre-draft) a consensus top tackle like Smith, Jason whats-his-name, etc.

Vikings also got Loadholt in the 2nd round so to say we can't find a tackle with the #23 pick is not true. Just because we can't get the top tackle prospect in the draft doesn't mean we can't draft a starter with the 23rd pick.

I can pretty much guarntee you that we will not draft a LB with our 1st round pick and you can quote me on that.

Isn't Loadholt playing RT?

[Brandon494]

I don't know, smidge, I thought there was no way the squatty 330 lb DT with crazy explosiveness and dominating senior bowl performance would be gone by pick 9, but we got him.

There's a chance a great OT will be drafted at or after our pick. I'd even be OK with a dominate guard. I can stand Colledge, but I can stand to replace him too.

And Clay Matthews. He's a dominate player drafted in a similar slot. Who's to say TT hasn't sniffed otu the Clay Matthews of OT's this year?

Never know. There seems to be a lot of OL and secondary talent this year. OT being our biggest need and breaking all tie breakers, I'm going to stick with my guess being OL.

An elite(ish) prospect dropping to #9 is different than one dropping to #23. If one's available, I'm absolutely all for it. I just don't think it will happen. As for Matthews, his limited experience (if I remember correctly) is what caused him to drop. Turns out he projected better than thought.

wasn't Michael Oher drafted 23 or something like that??

He was, but because of his learning disability, some people weren't convinced he could learn the position well enough. At least, that's what I heard. Some people had him ranked in the top 10, some at the bottom of round 1. He wasn't (pre-draft) a consensus top tackle like Smith, Jason whats-his-name, etc.

Vikings also got Loadholt in the 2nd round so to say we can't find a tackle with the #23 pick is not true. Just because we can't get the top tackle prospect in the draft doesn't mean we can't draft a starter with the 23rd pick.

I can pretty much guarntee you that we will not draft a LB with our 1st round pick and you can quote me on that.

Isn't Loadholt playing RT?

Yea but he was also a 2nd round pick.

Also Lang showed last season that he can handle playing LT.

We had two rookies playing OLB last season who did a damn good job, why are we going to use another 1st round pick on a OLB when he more important areas of need. Sure we can improve over Brad Jones but you gotta realize dude was a rookie, he is going to improve and get better along with Clay Matthews.

Pretty much what Im saying is we have young talent at the LB position, now we need young talent at tackle and in the secondary.

[Lurker64]

Isn't Loadholt playing RT?

Loadholt is pretty much the platonic form of a RTO.