2010 Mock Draft Poll: Vote for who the Packers should draft!

[RashanGary]

The only guard I like with our high pick is the one brandon sited. Mike Iupati and the only reason is because he's such a mauler, he looks like a rare difference maker at guard. A blocker like him gets you more TD's than field goals in the redzone. Pouncey is good, but this is a really deep draft. I'd have a hard time taking a consistent but unspectacular guard/center with the 23rd pick in a really deep draft.

Wilson doesn't have trouble in zone. I've never read that anywhere.

[packrulz]

Interesting, Mays and Pouncey each got 4 votes so far.

[Bretsky]

Interesting, Mays and Pouncey each got 4 votes so far.

If I could have used a half vote I'd be split between Wilson and Mays

[Joemailman]

Wilson doesn't have trouble in zone. I've never read that anywhere.

I hadn't hears that before either. The only real knock against him has been his unenthusiastic tackling in run support. I think that can be addressed easily enough.

[Brandon494]

Yea we had 3 DBs put on IR but two of them have shown nothing to prove they can play CB in the NFL and the other is a 35 year old coming off a serious ACL injury. We don't know if Harris will be ready by the start of the season, and even if he is we don't know what type of player he will be. Pat Lee has shown nothing so far. I understand he was drafted in the 2nd round, but thats nothing to me until he actually shows something on the field. Will Blackmon also is coming off an ACL injury so don't expect him just to return to his old self returning kicks right away.

Kyle Wilson is not a luxury pick and is a greater need then a guard IMO. If drafted he would start the season as our nickel DB instead of having Bush out there and would also be our main return man which was one of the worst last season. We have Spitz and Colledge to battle at LG, Lang will be stayin a tackle either way IMO. Also the draft is loaded with O-line draft so whos to say we can't pick up a solid O-line prospect later in the draft. Not to mention we could also just wait until next season to draft Pouncey.

If Wilson isn't picked then either Tramon Williams or Pat Lee will start as our nickel back, not Jarrett Bush. And Kyle Wilson hasn't proven any more than Pat Lee or Brandon Underwood have proven. The fact is none of the three have had actual game experience in the NFL to prove anything at all. We don't know if Lee or Underwood can play at this level. We don't know if they can't play at this level either. But don't go and make it sound like Kyle Wilson has proven more than anybody else. He hasn't even been drafted yet.

OK, how am I making it seem like Wilson has proven more than anybody else from what I wrote? Might want to read that again because what I was saying is that CB is more of a need with the 1st pick then drafting a guard and giving my reasoning why.

Anyway we have two CBs who are coming of ACL injuries and Kyle Wilson would help soften the blow for both of them. Al Harris is not going to be ready when the season starts so Tramon Williams will be our #2 CB. Kyle Wilson will step in as the #3 CB over Pat Lee(who has been on this team 3 years now and has a career 2 tackles with 0 INTs), Underwood who was a 6th rounder who didn't really show much last season for you to think he can handle the #3 job, and J Bush who I'm not going to even waste my time explaining why Wilson would be an upgrade over him.

Kyle Wilson would also handle the KR duties over Will Blackmon who is coming off a ACL injury. Dude is not going to be the same return man when he comes back. Blackmon is also injury prone and you can't rely on him. We also need to start thinking about the future at CB position. Woodson will be 34 next season and we have no one in line to take over the #1 CB spot down the road.

[Brandon494]

Wilson doesn't have trouble in zone. I've never read that anywhere.

I hadn't hears that before either. The only real knock against him has been his unenthusiastic tackling in run support. I think that can be addressed easily enough.

Same, maybe they say he struggles in zone coverage because of his aggressive style of play?

MEASUREMENTS:

Height: 5'10

Weight: 190 pounds

40 time: 4.42 (with a low of 4.32)

THINGS THE SCOUTS GET RIGHT:

Scouts across the NFL love Kyle Wilson's hips. They are fluid and smooth and (can someone just get these guys a room already?). Wilson's hips are a big reason why he excels in coverage. He can move with a receiver and change directions at a moment's notice, and he has the closing speed to break on a ball. His aggressiveness can get him in trouble, but it can also pay off big time with INTs, PBUs, and the occasional pick-six. Wilson can read routes exceptionally well, and he has the ball skills to make a QB think twice before throwing his direction. He can take away a receiver fairly easily.(Sounds like a certain DPOY)
THINGS THE SCOUTS MAY NOT ACCOUNT FOR:

Wilson's aggressiveness can leave him susceptible to double moves or heinous coverage penalties. He can be beat with a well thrown ball, which may make him a No. 2 corner on a good team or a No. 1 on a bad. Scouts should not discount Wilson's leadership abilities or his desire and self-motivation.
NON-FOOTBALL THING YOU MAY FIND ENDEARING/CHARMING/INTERESTING:

He has his own motor home, which is not to say that he owns it but rather that it is a shrine to him.

TOTAL SUMMARY GRADING OF OVER/UNDERRATED:

Wilson is a late first round pick in the majority of mock drafts, which is the perfect amount of ratedness for him. He may very well end up as the top NFL corner from this draft class, but he will not pass DBs like Florida's Joe Haden on draft day thanks to the stigma of Wilson's WAC competition.

[Mazzin]

Damn, Bran you and Gun are going at it in more then one thread......LOL I LOVE PACKERRATS.COM

[Brandon494]

Damn, Bran you and Gun are going at it in more then one thread......LOL I LOVE PACKERRATS.COM

More like he was going at me, I'm just putting him in his place.

[Gunakor]

Damn, Bran you and Gun are going at it in more then one thread......LOL I LOVE PACKERRATS.COM

More like he was going at me, I'm just putting him in his place.

You are expressing needs that don't exist, like a new RB to split time with Grant. And confusing everybody when you keep implying that Jarrett Bush is our nickel back.

Pat Lee has proven nothing because he has had about as much chance to prove anything as Kyle Wilson. Same goes for Brandon Underwood. Consider that when stating with confidence that he's less talented than the rookie you've fallen in love with.

In the meantime, consider other more pressing needs than CB or RB. A RB to split time with Jackson in mop up duty could be found in the middle rounds. I'm fine with a CB in the second or third round. But as deep as the TOP of this draft is stocked with offensive linemen I think it would be a disservice to the team not to take the best one left available there. The needs on the offensive line are greater than the needs in the defensive backfield IMO. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure the immediate need in the defensive backfield is that great at all.

[Bretsky]

Damn, Bran you and Gun are going at it in more then one thread......LOL I LOVE PACKERRATS.COM

More like he was going at me, I'm just putting him in his place.

You are expressing needs that don't exist, like a new RB to split time with Grant. And confusing everybody when you keep implying that Jarrett Bush is our nickel back.

Pat Lee has proven nothing because he has had about as much chance to prove anything as Kyle Wilson. Same goes for Brandon Underwood. Consider that when stating with confidence that he's less talented than the rookie you've fallen in love with.

In the meantime, consider other more pressing needs than CB or RB. A RB to split time with Jackson in mop up duty could be found in the middle rounds. I'm fine with a CB in the second or third round. But as deep as the TOP of this draft is stocked with offensive linemen I think it would be a disservice to the team not to take the best one left available there. The needs on the offensive line are greater than the needs in the defensive backfield IMO. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure the immediate need in the defensive backfield is that great at all.

To be fair, I thought Pat Lee was pretty bad year one; if I remember right he was inactive most of that year even when healthy. I feel way more comfortable with Blackmond as being the better player when he's in.

If the OL is there I'm all for it but I don't want TT to take a OL for need if there is a higher rated player there. I think we can use help at a lot of possitions and could pick up a OL in round two as well. The Indiana OT in round two would be nice

[pbmax]

Outside of an obvious Left Tackle candidate, I think the position of most need of first round talent is pass rushing OLB. But I am not convinced about any of them, esp. if Graham should be gone.

[red]

Damn, Bran you and Gun are going at it in more then one thread......LOL I LOVE PACKERRATS.COM

More like he was going at me, I'm just putting him in his place.

You are expressing needs that don't exist, like a new RB to split time with Grant. And confusing everybody when you keep implying that Jarrett Bush is our nickel back.

Pat Lee has proven nothing because he has had about as much chance to prove anything as Kyle Wilson. Same goes for Brandon Underwood. Consider that when stating with confidence that he's less talented than the rookie you've fallen in love with.

In the meantime, consider other more pressing needs than CB or RB. A RB to split time with Jackson in mop up duty could be found in the middle rounds. I'm fine with a CB in the second or third round. But as deep as the TOP of this draft is stocked with offensive linemen I think it would be a disservice to the team not to take the best one left available there. The needs on the offensive line are greater than the needs in the defensive backfield IMO. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure the immediate need in the defensive backfield is that great at all.

To be fair, I thought Pat Lee was pretty bad year one; if I remember right he was inactive most of that year even when healthy. I feel way more comfortable with Blackmond as being the better player when he's in.

If the OL is there I'm all for it but I don't want TT to take a OL for need if there is a higher rated player there. I think we can use help at a lot of possitions and could pick up a OL in round two as well. The Indiana OT in round two would be nice

i'm not 100% possitive on this, but i think i remember that pat lee was a zone CB that was trying to make that transition to a man corner that first year.

and now we've gone to what he was suppose to be best at

a still think theres a good chance both he and blackmon could step up and surprise us this year.

and TT and MM might think that way too. they might think we have no need at all for a CB or RB or OLB or OT

who knows whats going through their heads right now

[Gunakor]

Damn, Bran you and Gun are going at it in more then one thread......LOL I LOVE PACKERRATS.COM

More like he was going at me, I'm just putting him in his place.

You are expressing needs that don't exist, like a new RB to split time with Grant. And confusing everybody when you keep implying that Jarrett Bush is our nickel back.

Pat Lee has proven nothing because he has had about as much chance to prove anything as Kyle Wilson. Same goes for Brandon Underwood. Consider that when stating with confidence that he's less talented than the rookie you've fallen in love with.

In the meantime, consider other more pressing needs than CB or RB. A RB to split time with Jackson in mop up duty could be found in the middle rounds. I'm fine with a CB in the second or third round. But as deep as the TOP of this draft is stocked with offensive linemen I think it would be a disservice to the team not to take the best one left available there. The needs on the offensive line are greater than the needs in the defensive backfield IMO. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure the immediate need in the defensive backfield is that great at all.

To be fair, I thought Pat Lee was pretty bad year one; if I remember right he was inactive most of that year even when healthy. I feel way more comfortable with Blackmond as being the better player when he's in.

If the OL is there I'm all for it but I don't want TT to take a OL for need if there is a higher rated player there. I think we can use help at a lot of possitions and could pick up a OL in round two as well. The Indiana OT in round two would be nice

Aaron Rodgers was pretty bad in year one also. He didn't start to get it until year 3. Nick Collins was AWFUL his first 2 seasons, but I'm pretty sure looking at things today that having patience with him and giving him an opportunity to develop was a pretty smart move. Take that into consideration.

If no first round talent on the OL is left when Thompson is on the clock - which I almost can't see as a possibility in this years draft - then trade down in the first and pick up an extra 3rd or 4th instead. Get your new OL in round 2 and your new CB with return ability with one of your extra 3's. Like I said, I think we're fine in the defensive backfield in 2010. Using a 1st rounder there would be a luxury pick as he wouldn't be on the field as much as a 1st rounder at another position would be. He wouldn't have the same positive impact as an OL would. A first round CB would have about the same impact on the 2010 season as a 4th round CB would.

[swede]

Awesome discussion rats. Picking at 23 in a deep draft like this really makes one think about balancing need and bpa. Last year we got knocked out of the playoffs because we couldn't get AZ off the field w/o scoring. We put up plenty of points. I still think this defense needs talent and depth.

After sifting through the different points made by you rats, I think:

1) If one is there, the best remaining OT TT has at a mid-1st rd grade. If no...

2) ...the best remaining pass rushing OLB TT has at a mid-1st rd grade.If no...

3) ...the best remaining DBack TT has at a mid 1st rd grade...if no...

4)...frickin' trade down.


This is why I support the Wilson pick. In our mock it seems to me that we hit option three. In real life an OT may still be there, or, more likely, Brandon Graham.

I wonder, though, if TT is secretly hoping Mays is there.

[Brandon494]

Damn, Bran you and Gun are going at it in more then one thread......LOL I LOVE PACKERRATS.COM

More like he was going at me, I'm just putting him in his place.

You are expressing needs that don't exist, like a new RB to split time with Grant. And confusing everybody when you keep implying that Jarrett Bush is our nickel back.

I'm not saying we need a RB to split time with Grant BUT if a RB like Spillier or Matthews falls to us TT has to atleast consider it. Also how I'm confusing Bush being our nickel back? He was our nickel back for half of last season when Harris went down in week 9. Exactly what makes you think Al Harris will be ready by the start of the season? or that Pat Lee will somehow play any different than he has so far?

Pat Lee has proven nothing because he has had about as much chance to prove anything as Kyle Wilson. Same goes for Brandon Underwood. Consider that when stating with confidence that he's less talented than the rookie you've fallen in love with.

What are you talking about? Pat Lee has had 2 seasons to prove himself and has shown nothing, he is in the same boat as Justin Harrell. Underwood is decent last season but exactly did he show you to make you think he is worth being a starting CB in this league? Please do tell.

In the meantime, consider other more pressing needs than CB or RB. A RB to split time with Jackson in mop up duty could be found in the middle rounds. I'm fine with a CB in the second or third round. But as deep as the TOP of this draft is stocked with offensive linemen I think it would be a disservice to the team not to take the best one left available there. The needs on the offensive line are greater than the needs in the defensive backfield IMO. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure the immediate need in the defensive backfield is that great at all.

Wow I guess you missed that Cardinals game then, I don't know if you knew this but it was the highest scoring game in NFL playoff history. Also you just made another point for me, this draft is loaded with O-line talent so if we don't draft a linemen with our 1st pick there will still be talent in the 2nd and 3rd round. Now if the right lineman does fall to us then I'm all for drafting him but if its Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis, or Charles Brown then I would pass. We have a chance at going deep into the playoffs next season, whats the point of using a 1st rounder on a guy who will sit on the bench instead of drafting a playmaker? You really think if we drafted Spiller or Matthew they would split mop up duty with Jackson?