What are your expectations for the 2010 Packers?

[pbmax]

12-3-1

Win the North. I am predicting it until it comes true.

[sharpe1027]

As do the Packers with MM. I still don't understand the arguement that MM is any better than Chilly. No matter what anyone thinks of him personally, his record alongside MM's....taking all achievements = even.

I was responding to an assertion that the Vikings had better players. If the Vikings have better players, but their achievements = even wouldn't that meant that MM is better?

You may not understand the argument for why Chilly isn't that good, but I know that many Vikings fans are less than thrilled that he is still around.

[Bretsky]

I'm not going to make any bold statements about one team being on the rise more than the other. Remember that the other has produced the offensive rookie of the year two of the last three seasons. Gotta give their GM and scouts plenty of credit as well.

As I stated before, I think GB and MN will be the two best teams in the NFC next year assuming #4 returns

[Bretsky]

As do the Packers with MM. I still don't understand the arguement that MM is any better than Chilly. No matter what anyone thinks of him personally, his record alongside MM's....taking all achievements = even.

I was responding to an assertion that the Vikings had better players. If the Vikings have better players, but their achievements = even wouldn't that meant that MM is better?

You may not understand the argument for why Chilly isn't that good, but I know that many Vikings fans are less than thrilled that he is still around.

At this point MM has not really accomplished any more than Chilly so homerism aside the stats would show they are fairly even. True that many Vike fans are unahappy with him...but I'm some GB fans wish TT would have hired Sean Payton instead as well

[The Shadow]

I thought the Vikings had the best talent in the NFL last year - and we saw why and how what happened - happened.
There is some age in key spots on that team; I don't see them maintaining. Too much ascending/maturing talent on other rosters.
I like the Packers chances just fine.

[RashanGary]

I just listed 22 serviceable young players or better, 4 borderline stars and 2 legit stars for the Packers.

12 serviceable young players, maybe better for the Vikes, 2 borderline stars and 2 legit stars for the Vikings.


And when you have that many young players with potential, who knows who's going to be the next to break out.


I've heard the other argument for the Vikings maintaining their lead in the division. I know it's possible, but I think the Packers are trending upward, and I don't think the Vikings are. I think the Vikings, have as many old players likely to decline as they do young players likely to get better. The Packers have much more young players likely to get better than old players likely to decline. I don't think the teams are all that different to begin with.

When I said not even close, I said it's not even close who has more good young talent. Could the Vikes get the better of the division? Sure. My money is on the Packers though.

[Bretsky]

It's my view you were too generous in some of your rankings of Packers
I honestly don't feel like I'm knowledgeable enough up and down the Vikings roster to analyze them the way you did.

I think they will be very close next year

If Favre retires I'd expect to be the NFC Favorite

[mngolf19]

As do the Packers with MM. I still don't understand the arguement that MM is any better than Chilly. No matter what anyone thinks of him personally, his record alongside MM's....taking all achievements = even.

Not quite. McCarthy = 38-26; Childress = 36-28

Ok, I stand corrected.

[mngolf19]

As do the Packers with MM. I still don't understand the arguement that MM is any better than Chilly. No matter what anyone thinks of him personally, his record alongside MM's....taking all achievements = even.

I was responding to an assertion that the Vikings had better players. If the Vikings have better players, but their achievements = even wouldn't that meant that MM is better?

You may not understand the argument for why Chilly isn't that good, but I know that many Vikings fans are less than thrilled that he is still around.

Sharpe, those are the idiots that won't be happy no matter what. Just want something to complain about. They feel better about themselves. I don't love him either but winning covers that up.

[mngolf19]

I've heard the other argument for the Vikings maintaining their lead in the division. I know it's possible, but I think the Packers are trending upward, and I don't think the Vikings are. I think the Vikings, have as many old players likely to decline as they do young players likely to get better.

Only Favre gets much playing time for older players. So old declining is not an issue.

As for trending upward:

6-10 2006
8-8 2007
10-6 2008
12-4 2009


8-8 2006
13-3 2007
6-10 2008
11-5 2009

[Fritz]

It's hard for me to say the Packers are better when I think about what it looked like on television watching the Pack get their asses handed to them twice by the Vikes.

I'm in the "we'll see" mode.

[Maxie the Taxi]

A. Benny Hinn
Q. Ted Thompson's surprise choice to replace Dr. Patrick McKenzie as Team Physician.

A. It's a miracle!
Q. First words out of Justin Harrell's mouth upon being named first team All Pro, along with Will Blackmon, Al Harris and Jason Spitz.

A. Out Demons!!!!
Q. Last words uttered by Benny Hinn before he evaporated in a ball of fire as he laid his hands on the forehead of DeShawn Wynn.

A. Jimmy Clausen.
Q. Ted Thompson's surprise pick in the 2010 draft when the Notre Dame star unaccountably slips to #23.

A. Who dat?
Q. Dissappointed New Orleans Saints fan watching his TV from home as Mark Murphy accepts the Lombardi Trophy after the Super Bowl.

A. The biggest medicine cabinet in the world.
Q. The first thing Cleft Crusty buys after winning $200-million in the Power Ball lottery.

A. Triple coverage.
Q. What Bret Favre throws into on the last play of the NFC championship game, resulting in Pat Lee's interception for a TD and a Packer win.

A. I've got my fingers crossed.
Q. Mike Holmgren's response on June 30th when asked if his newly acquired QB, Brett Favre, will come out of retirement to start for the Browns in 2011.

[b bulldog]

Fritz, you nailed it 100%. Our entire offense is tagged to two mold OT's. One is a workhorse, the other will miss at least a couple of games and when our starting tackles are not playing TT has done a bad job with the Oline.

[RashanGary]

Fritz, you nailed it 100%. Our entire offense is tagged to two mold OT's. One is a workhorse, the other will miss at least a couple of games and when our starting tackles are not playing TT has done a bad job with the Oline.

Get in line, the line for those who doubted Ted and were proven wrong

Ted's overcome bigger challenges than this. We replaced Brett Favre, I'd wager Ted will replace Clifton and Tausch just fine.

[b bulldog]

I like Ted but he has done a terrible job with our line, if Tauscher would have gotten picked up by KC last season, the Pack would have been lucky to go 8-8. That isn't up for debate.