Understanding the Neal Pick

[wist43]

I don't mind the pick per se... but everyone has to admit, it does nothing for us this year, and should we lose Jolly and/or Jenkins, then we simply remain static at that position - and static for a team that was ousted in the first round of the playoffs in humiliating fashion, isn't going to win you any championships.

As I've said, I haven't studied this years draft, don't know anything about the guy... but that doesn't really matter at least in terms of team building. If your BPA every pick is a TE... you can't win with 53 TE's.

The best that can be said, is we stay the same up front; which, as noted, wasn't good enough to begin with.

[RashanGary]

Wist, how many DL do you think we have?

Because by my count, we have 3 proven good ones and 2 quality young prospects. Raji has done very little since coming here, although there is a lot of reason for hope.


Weren't you the guy talking about needed 3 good corners and 2 good prospects?

Why can't we have 3 good DL and 2 good prospects? Is DL not more important than CB? What am I missing. And none of our DL are stars. Jolly is the most complete of the bunch and he's not a star. He's just really good. They're all good. It's not like we have 4 stars. Oh, and Raji really didn't do much last year. If anything, he's still a prospect too. So we have 3 good ones, two coming up to UFA, one of those two with a drug/court issue and two good young prospects. I know you're the guy who always complained about the trenches. How is this overboard. How does this pick not help.

[RashanGary]

Even if everyone is healthy all year, we start 3 DL. We'll play 5 deep with the rotation. If someone goes down, we would have suffered pretty bad without a good backup. You seem to get that with the CB's, but on DL, you think 1 backup is fine? I don't get your logic.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I never complain about a defensive lineman being drafted. So many of them don't pan out, and it's a rotation position, so you have to play the numbers game.

[Lurker64]

I don't mind the pick per se... but everyone has to admit, it does nothing for us this year

I'm not sure I agree. Right now the rotation at NT is Pickett and Raji and the rotation at DE is Jenkins, Jolly, Neal, and Raji. You need to rotate the big guys to keep them fresh.

I think both Wynn and Talley are at least a year out.

[Gunakor]

I don't mind the pick per se... but everyone has to admit, it does nothing for us this year, and should we lose Jolly and/or Jenkins, then we simply remain static at that position - and static for a team that was ousted in the first round of the playoffs in humiliating fashion, isn't going to win you any championships.

As I've said, I haven't studied this years draft, don't know anything about the guy... but that doesn't really matter at least in terms of team building. If your BPA every pick is a TE... you can't win with 53 TE's.

The best that can be said, is we stay the same up front; which, as noted, wasn't good enough to begin with.

This pick does a lot for us if Jolly or Jenkins go down and we don't lose production from that position. Had we not made this pick and Jolly or Jenkins go down we'd be in trouble. Jolly has his legal issues that may keep him out of a few games, and Jenkins has an injury history that suggests he'll miss a game or two this year as well. I don't love the pick for this year, but I don't think it's going to be a complete waste.

Looking forward to future seasons this pick makes more sense to me. Jenkins isn't going to be around forever, and Raji is going to be moving inside to play the nose sooner or later. Neal is probably going to get his shot as a starter for us. So it's hard to be too horribly disappointed with the pick.

[Fritz]

You know, we don't study these guys the way the pros do. A lot of it depends on whether you trust the Packer organization - the scouts, the Ted, et al.

Did anyone get a big boner when Shermy took Aaron Kampman in the fifth round?

Anybody remember the "WTF" after Nick Collins was drafted?

The "why did we waste a first round pick on Rodgers?"

Did anyone in New Orleans P.O.T.W.H. when Marques Colston was drafted?

We just don't know. TT's not doing what we'd like - the needs we see as obvious are not being filled. So we don't like it.

It is some weird stuff, but I have faith in TT. I hope it's a good draft and not the 07 Justin Harrell James Jones Brandon Jackson draft. Which was not horrible but did not produce playmakers or ten year starters on the o-line.

[wist43]

Wist, how many DL do you think we have?

Because by my count, we have 3 proven good ones and 2 quality young prospects. Raji has done very little since coming here.


Weren't you the guy talking about needed 3 good corners and 2 good prospects?

Why can't we have 3 good DL and 2 good prospects? Is DL not more important than CB? What am I missing. And none of our DL are stars. Jolly is the most complete of the bunch and he's not a star. He's just really good. They're all good. It's not like we have 4 stars. Oh, and Raji really didn't do much last year. If anything, he's still a prospect too. So we have 3 good ones, two coming up to UFA, one of those two with a drug/court issue and two good young prospects. I know you're the guy who always complained about the trenches. How is this overboard. How does this pick not help.

Raji had the high ankle sprain... that alone gives him a pass; however, Raji will be a good player.

Raji, Jenkings, Jolly, and Pickett are a decent core... your guy from a few drafts ago is a complete bust, Wynn is just a roster guy... I don't mind drafting front seven people at all... but, as I said, this doesn't do anything to improve the team, it just keeps us at the level we're at now.

While other holes go unaddressed... that's the point.

Is Brad Jones the answer??? Personally, I like the guy... but whether or not he's got red/blue chip potential, I don't know... CB??? You want to talk about need now, and need for developing guys for the future... look no further.

You're playing a 3-4... and you have one good LB (Matthews), 2 average LB's (Barnett and Hawk), and then a bunch of junk... maybe Jones can be a player; Chillar is a JAG.

TT plods along... we're in year 6 of the TT regime with no titles. BPA is his #1 priority, team building is secondary. My point would be that surely there had to be a LB or CB with an equal grade, or close to the same grade, as Neal???

As I said, I don't mind front seven picks in general, but of all the positions in the front seven, DE in a 3-4 is the least impactful. Picking Neal does not make the Packers better, even if he is a good player.

[Fritz]

Wist, I just can't call last year "plodding along."

[RashanGary]

I still disagree. If you want 5 good CB's and only 4 good lineman, you're not a treches guy. 5 is not too many, not even if they're healthy. It's just not.

[RashanGary]

I never thought I'd see the day where we drafted a guy that appears to be our 5th quality D lineman and Wist wanted to trade him back for a cornerback

[wist43]

Wist, I just can't call last year "plodding along."

Well, no and yes

TT isn't doing anything to build on it... he's drafting for 2013. I've always had serious doubts about TT's committment to winning championships... I said a few years ago, I see TT as a perpetual 10-6 GM.

Last year I became more optimistic b/c of the switch to the 3-4, and then actually drafting players that fit the scheme - but TT has reverted back to BPA regardless of position, and regardless of where the team is in relation to taking the next step.

We'll be here in 2013 having this same conversation... guys drafted this year will be replacing guys TT drafted a few years ago; TT will continue with his BPA regardless of position; and the beat will go on.

Detroit will win a SB before we do, lol...

[wist43]

I never thought I'd see the day where we drafted a guy that appears to be our 5th quality D lineman and Wist wanted to trade him back for a cornerback

I actually don't think we're that far away... but being close necessitates taking your shot, and that requires filling holes.

Could we win a SB in the next couple of years if TT filled a few holes??? I think we might could have a shot... but if TT isn't going to fill the holes with front line talent that can get on the field now and make a difference... that window of opportunity will close.

TT is drafting for down the line... that's how he always drafts. We'll be a couple of games either way of 9-7 for the next decade.

It's almost as if TT sees the roster as something akin to a AA minor league baseball roster... it's all about potential and development - winning championships isn't the focus.

[swede]

You know, we don't study these guys the way the pros do. A lot of it depends on whether you trust the Packer organization - the scouts, the Ted, et al.

Did anyone get a big boner when Shermy took Aaron Kampman in the fifth round?

Anybody remember the "WTF" after Nick Collins was drafted?

The "why did we waste a first round pick on Rodgers?"

Did anyone in New Orleans P.O.T.W.H. when Marques Colston was drafted?

We just don't know. TT's not doing what we'd like - the needs we see as obvious are not being filled. So we don't like it.

It is some weird stuff, but I have faith in TT. I hope it's a good draft and not the 07 Justin Harrell James Jones Brandon Jackson draft. Which was not horrible but did not produce playmakers or ten year starters on the o-line.

I know.

It's like a primitive native American ritual where the men dress up like evil spirits and the women chase them out with sticks and blunt spears and then everyone eats pickled buffalo tongue and shags in the tipis after.

TT picks players we couldn't possibly know anything about. We post "WTF!" and "TT thinks he so smart that he won't listen to Mike Mayock and swede, the egomaniac!" And then, after the evil spirits are purged, we go back to calling TT really smart.

He can stay out of my tipi, tho.

[pbmax]

You know, we don't study these guys the way the pros do. A lot of it depends on whether you trust the Packer organization - the scouts, the Ted, et al.

Did anyone get a big boner when Shermy took Aaron Kampman in the fifth round?

Anybody remember the "WTF" after Nick Collins was drafted?

The "why did we waste a first round pick on Rodgers?"

Did anyone in New Orleans P.O.T.W.H. when Marques Colston was drafted?

We just don't know. TT's not doing what we'd like - the needs we see as obvious are not being filled. So we don't like it.

It is some weird stuff, but I have faith in TT. I hope it's a good draft and not the 07 Justin Harrell James Jones Brandon Jackson draft. Which was not horrible but did not produce playmakers or ten year starters on the o-line.

I know.

It's like a primitive native American ritual where the men dress up like evil spirits and the women chase them out with sticks and blunt spears and then everyone eats pickled buffalo tongue and shags in the tipis after.

TT picks players we couldn't possibly know anything about. We post "WTF!" and "TT thinks he so smart that he won't listen to Mike Mayock and swede, the egomaniac!" And then, after the evil spirits are purged, we go back to calling TT really smart.

He can stay out of my tipi, tho.

But you have yet to make clear when the women will appear to accompany us to the tepees?