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Because I don't want to search through 100+ pages for info on each of our picks...
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"You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial -
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Apparently, Penn State had two tight ends because the Viqueens drafted the other one.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The NumbersComment
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The only way it matters if he is a good player or not is if Finley goes down...
Even if he turns into a decent player... I hate this pick. By TT's reckoning, there wasn't a single LB, S, CB, or OL in the entire draft that will have as good a career as this guy???
The guy looks like he has upside, and has matured from his off the field issues... but still, the reality is he will provide next to nothing for the next few years unless Finley goes down, or TT dumps Lee, and even then, with Finley still on the team and healthy, he'll be playing 2nd fiddle.
Stupid pick.wistComment
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i hate those over-sized helmits penn state has.
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He was apparently the highest rated player on Thompson's board at the time of the pick by a very large margin. Guy's got first round talent, but his character concerns had a bunch of scouts giving him a third or fourth round grade as a result. Packers thought they got information on him that they trusted that he had really turned things around, so they took a guy who had a 3rd or 4th round grade in the late fifth.Originally posted by wist43
I can't really hate that.</delurk>Comment
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Originally posted by wist43
Maybe Lee is gone soon and we get a Chewy/Jackson comboTERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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Reminds of Keith Jackson. There was a reason he was TT's highest rated player by far at this point in the draft.
Off the field incidents prevented him from being drafted on Friday.Comment
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I understand the arguments for...
Again, not a single other player at a position of need will have as good a career as this guy???
And truthfully, this guys career stats are going to be fairly shallow the first few years if Finley stays healthy... so we spent a 5th round pick on 15 catches for 153 yds and 1TD per year for the next 3 years??? As opposed to moving up, or down and taking a prospect at a position of need who might see the field and contribute earlier b/c there is work available there???
Lest I remind you guys, Harrell was TT's top rated guy too... we were solid at DT at the time - all the same arguments apply. TT isn't as much concerned about winning championships, as he is just plodding along to his own beat.
TT simply will not make the necessary moves to fill holes - it's always about BPA, regardless of whether it helps build the team or not... if it creates a log jam at a position, so what??? we'll just dump one of the good players the next year - presto, no more log jam. How does that help your team progress to the next level... all it does is keep you where you were - and where we were was short of the SB
I know most of you guys think we have a top 5 defense... but Arizona just butchered us - it was embarrassing. We were solid at DE, but with big ??? at LB, CB, and S... so what does TT do??? he drafts 2 DE's, no LB's, and no CB's
We're solid at TE, TT drafts a TE... we were okay at RB, could use some help, but okay... TT drafts a RB that hasn't played football in over a year. Again??? No CB, LB, or S drafted after Starks will have a better career than Starks???
These guys may all turn out to be good players... but TT is just setting the table to release other players who were contributing at a hight level, or at least fulfilling their roll, and it amounts to spinning your wheels.
I seriously doubt we can ever win a championship with TT at the helm... we'll be good year in and year out, but we'll always be stacked at 2 or 3 positions, and flailing at others.wistComment
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I think this is where I disagree with you greatly. Winning championships isn't about having the most talented team, or the team with the fewest holes. It's about having a good talented team that comes together and gets hot at the right time (and gets a few favorable breaks along the way). The best team regularly does not win the superbowl in this day and age. I think it's better to be consistently good, giving you more shots to get hot at the right time, than to alternate between "extremely talented" and "rebuilding."Originally posted by wist43
I mean, 2 years ago Pittsburgh and Arizona faced off in the superbowl with the two worst offensive lines in football. Last year a two teams with patchwork defenses faced off in the superbowl. Three years ago a New York Giants team with a secondary full of holes and a plodding offense but with an extremely good pass rush beat the vastly superior New England Patriots for the championship, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.</delurk>Comment
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The problem is not TT's roster management but MM's gameday coaching.
Recall the roster prior to TT. TT has built a super bowl team just like Ron Wolf. Its up to the coaching staff to win.
Every team has weaknesses. Agree our defense is still suspect. But with another year, a young ball hawk and developing corners (plus the return of Harris) the Packers should be in the Super Bowl.Comment
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TT has built a playoff team... and from that standpoint, anyone in the playoffs has a sluggers chance.Originally posted by Lurker64
Prior to switching to the 3-4, I gave us exactly zero chance of ever winning a SB under TT... switching to the 3-4 gave me some hope; but, with Dom Capers drawing up Pop Warner game plans against good QB's - accepted orthodoxy amongst DC's over 75 years of age - and TT's refusal to address needs... I just don't see it.
Our OL is, and has been since TT has been here, a huge problem... our LB'ing is average at best; our Safety situation got better with the drafting of Burnett, but DB overall is a problem...
I would argue that TT will be chasing holes in perpetuity, but TT doesn't recognize holes... if he has 12 pro bowl TE's, and his BPA at the next pick is a TE - guess what??? we're going to have 13 TE's.
You can keep turning your roster over that way, but it's pretty tough to win championships without at least most of your bases covered.wistComment
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lol wist.
If this TE breaks out and is a stud you don't think MM will find a way to get him on the field? Super weird for a team to have more than one TE. New England drafted 2! Belichick prolly won't win a superbowl for the Pats either.
70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.Comment
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Well, that's kind of the point isn't it... we're definitely going to be needing to outscore everyone, coz we sure aint gonna be stoppin em.Originally posted by 3irty1lol wist.
If this TE breaks out and is a stud you don't think MM will find a way to get him on the field? Super weird for a team to have more than one TE. New England drafted 2! Belichick prolly won't win a superbowl for the Pats either.wistComment
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