Official Andrew Quarless Thread

[Scott Campbell]

He keeps us grounded.

[Bretsky]

wist provides the anti homer view, and there is nothing wrong with that

If we never win a title Wist can note his points are valid; if we do win a title wist can happily admit he's wrong

[wist43]

wist provides the anti homer view, and there is nothing wrong with that

If we never win a title Wist can note his points are valid; if we do win a title wist can happily admit he's wrong

Something like that, lol...

I want to win a title as much as you guys

[TennesseePackerBacker]

He keeps us grounded.

Grounded with unfounded opinions maybe. Seriously? TT is not out to win a championship? That's maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. To each his own I guess. I mostly ignore Wist's posts(he was surprisingly positive last year), but the complete negativity when we have no results gets old. There is no feasible way to judge a draft 1 day after it has been completed.

And Scott, I don't get it. You hate the Favre-lovers but love Wist's anti-homerism? It's not like people are doing the opposite of Wist and penciling us in for a Super Bowl run because of that draft.

[wist43]

He keeps us grounded.

Grounded with unfounded opinions maybe. Seriously? TT is not out to win a championship? That's maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. To each his own I guess. I mostly ignore Wist's posts(he was surprisingly positive last year), but the complete negativity when we have no results gets old. There is no feasible way to judge a draft 1 day after it has been completed.

And Scott, I don't get it. You hate the Favre-lovers but love Wist's anti-homerism? It's not like people are doing the opposite of Wist and penciling us in for a Super Bowl run because of that draft.

I think we're close enough to target needs that fill holes - Burnett was a nice move. I wanted more of that, and that makes me an "anti-homer"???

I like this team in general... I just want to get the rest of the way there, and TT didn't significantly address shortcomings.

Whether you agree with it or not, it is certainly a legitimate argument. Make a counter argument and leave it at that... I'm certainly in the minority most of the time, trust me, I won't be so offended as to get personal

[Joemailman]

I understand the arguments for...

Again, not a single other player at a position of need will have as good a career as this guy???

And truthfully, this guys career stats are going to be fairly shallow the first few years if Finley stays healthy... so we spent a 5th round pick on 15 catches for 153 yds and 1TD per year for the next 3 years??? As opposed to moving up, or down and taking a prospect at a position of need who might see the field and contribute earlier b/c there is work available there???

If Quarless is as good as TT thinks he is, he can make a bigger contribution than you think. The Packers threw to the TE more than any team in the league last year, and that was with Driver/Jennings still being one of the top WR combos in the league. They may throw to the TE's even more in the future. I could agree with your point if TT took this guy in Round 2-3, but in the 5th round he probably wasn't impressed with the OLB's available.

[Bretsky]

He keeps us grounded.

Grounded with unfounded opinions maybe. Seriously? TT is not out to win a championship? That's maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. To each his own I guess. I mostly ignore Wist's posts(he was surprisingly positive last year), but the complete negativity when we have no results gets old. There is no feasible way to judge a draft 1 day after it has been completed.

And Scott, I don't get it. You hate the Favre-lovers but love Wist's anti-homerism? It's not like people are doing the opposite of Wist and penciling us in for a Super Bowl run because of that draft.

I think we're close enough to target needs that fill holes - Burnett was a nice move. I wanted more of that, and that makes me an "anti-homer"???

I like this team in general... I just want to get the rest of the way there, and TT didn't significantly address shortcomings.

Whether you agree with it or not, it is certainly a legitimate argument. Make a counter argument and leave it at that... I'm certainly in the minority most of the time, trust me, I won't be so offended as to get personal

Wist....you should note that from me, I've never considered anti homer to be a bad thing. I'd define homerism to mean taking everything regarding the Packers and making a positive spin out of it. I've called myself the anit homer plenty of times in here. It has nothing to do with what type of fan you are IMO.

[steve823]

If Quarless does develop, which I think he will, I think we would use him as a TE/WR. We can do just like we did with Finley and line them both up all over the field and create mismatches. Imagine Arod being able to have 2 options to throw a fade to in the red zone. Of course it might take a year or two for him to develop, like it did with Finley.

This year is looking great already, all homer-ism aside. The only thing that can really hurt us is if we get all our CB's injured again and have to put Bush and Martin on the field .

[TennesseePackerBacker]

He keeps us grounded.

Grounded with unfounded opinions maybe. Seriously? TT is not out to win a championship? That's maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. To each his own I guess. I mostly ignore Wist's posts(he was surprisingly positive last year), but the complete negativity when we have no results gets old. There is no feasible way to judge a draft 1 day after it has been completed.

And Scott, I don't get it. You hate the Favre-lovers but love Wist's anti-homerism? It's not like people are doing the opposite of Wist and penciling us in for a Super Bowl run because of that draft.

I think we're close enough to target needs that fill holes - Burnett was a nice move. I wanted more of that, and that makes me an "anti-homer"???

I like this team in general... I just want to get the rest of the way there, and TT didn't significantly address shortcomings.

Whether you agree with it or not, it is certainly a legitimate argument. Make a counter argument and leave it at that... I'm certainly in the minority most of the time, trust me, I won't be so offended as to get personal

I apologize if I offended you wist. The negativity just hits a nerve with me after seeing it in every thread. I agree with you, I feel as if Burnett was a great move. But how can we even know that? How can you possibly have such strong feelings one way or another before we really know anything about the players we drafted? Hell, we haven't even made it to mini-camp yet.

[Brandon494]

TT doesn't want to win championships because he drafted a TE in the 5th round?

Its nothing wrong with building depth at TE. Donald Lee blows and Havner is nothing special. When you start drafting for need instead of BPA is when teams screw themselves. This guy has 3rd roud value and its a late 5th round draft pick, stop complaining.

[steve823]

Since we all agree Donald Lee sucks and has gone to shit...if Quarless plays good and Havner gets healthy do you think we cut him ? We all know Finley is the man now and having Quarless and Havner for depth might finally get Lee off the roster.

[twoseven]

i think i love this pick. it sounds like he has a fire inside him that not every other guy will have, you can't coach that. if this kid can keep off the substances i think we got ourselves another real weapon opposite Finley. TT took a chance on Finley too. for my money, you can keep that TE that never gets in trouble if has zero playmaking ability. that's just me, though.

[Lurker64]

Since we all agree Donald Lee sucks and has gone to shit...if Quarless plays good and Havner gets healthy do you think we cut him ? We all know Finley is the man now and having Quarless and Havner for depth might finally get Lee off the roster.

It probably depends on how Havner and Quarless do as blockers. Finley is a spirited blocker, but Lee is our best blocking TE.

That being said though, I wouldn't be surprised in situations where you just want to have an extra TE simply for blocking purposes that we do the "six offensive linemen" thing that the Bengals did a lot last year, to get their first round LT who wasn't starting on the field. That worked pretty well for them.

[steve823]

Since we all agree Donald Lee sucks and has gone to shit...if Quarless plays good and Havner gets healthy do you think we cut him ? We all know Finley is the man now and having Quarless and Havner for depth might finally get Lee off the roster.

It probably depends on how Havner and Quarless do as blockers. Finley is a spirited blocker, but Lee is our best blocking TE.

That being said though, I wouldn't be surprised in situations where you just want to have an extra TE simply for blocking purposes that we do the "six offensive linemen" thing that the Bengals did a lot last year, to get their first round LT who wasn't starting on the field. That worked pretty well for them.

I think that's a great idea. It'll help Bulaga get some game action and give Arod more time. Also, it's not like Lee would've caught the ball if he was in there instead of an extra lineman.

[wist43]

He keeps us grounded.

Grounded with unfounded opinions maybe. Seriously? TT is not out to win a championship? That's maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. To each his own I guess. I mostly ignore Wist's posts(he was surprisingly positive last year), but the complete negativity when we have no results gets old. There is no feasible way to judge a draft 1 day after it has been completed.

And Scott, I don't get it. You hate the Favre-lovers but love Wist's anti-homerism? It's not like people are doing the opposite of Wist and penciling us in for a Super Bowl run because of that draft.

I think we're close enough to target needs that fill holes - Burnett was a nice move. I wanted more of that, and that makes me an "anti-homer"???

I like this team in general... I just want to get the rest of the way there, and TT didn't significantly address shortcomings.

Whether you agree with it or not, it is certainly a legitimate argument. Make a counter argument and leave it at that... I'm certainly in the minority most of the time, trust me, I won't be so offended as to get personal

I apologize if I offended you wist. The negativity just hits a nerve with me after seeing it in every thread. I agree with you, I feel as if Burnett was a great move. But how can we even know that? How can you possibly have such strong feelings one way or another before we really know anything about the players we drafted? Hell, we haven't even made it to mini-camp yet.

I'm not offended, and I'm not easily offended... although Harlan gets the blood pressure up over in FYI once in a while, lol... might I suggest medical marijuana as a stress reducer

That said, I don't have "strong feelings" about the players one way or the other - as I said, I didn't study this draft like I usually do b/c I've been too busy. What I'm pointing to is philosophy... I like the team, I agree with building thru the draft; but I also think you have to realize when you're close, and make moves to seize that opportunity.

Building more depth with early picks, at positions of current relative strength, while ignoring positions of need - that if shored up might put you over the top and into a SB, makes no sense to me. - if not now??? When???

If you're that close - and I think we could be - you have to be bold enough to take the shot. TT may have solved our saftey problem... nice move. We still have big problems at corner, and outside of Matthews we have no impact LB's. We have LB's, but no play maker/impact LB's.

They could all turn out to be good players... but they'll be good players replacing current good players down the road; as I said, at best it keeps us where we are; and, as I've also said, where we left off at was a 51 point embarrassment.