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  • #46
    Originally posted by wist43
    where we left off at was a 51 point embarrassment.
    Wist, have you ever considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, that was a freak occurance? You know, like if we lined the same two teams up for a game this afternoon, perhaps the score would be different?

    Just because we have the same players doesn't mean we're the same team, first of all. Players develop and improve. When you're talking about the youngest team in the NFL you're talking a lot of potential improvement without adding even one single new body to the mix.

    Secondly, as I've been trying to say, the best team doesn't always win this game. Just look at the shape of the ball they play with and you can tell that luck is involved to some degree. So even if we were to stay exactly the same talent wise, and we continue to win 10+ games per season, and we become yearly playoff participants, the law of averages says eventually we would get lucky - and have a ring to show for it.
    Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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    • #47
      Finley lined up in the slot so often last year, that this kid could see a lot of time in a the single back. If teams go nickle in that situation either TE will manhandle a CB. If they stay base one of them will outrun a LB. Matchups matter a lot and Lee is dropping way too many balls now.

      If you focus too much on one side of the ball, you end up neglecting the other side in the short and long term. Lets see what M3 can cook up with formations.
      Originally posted by 3irty1
      This is museum quality stupidity.

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      • #48
        I could envision some pretty cool packages in a couple years.


        Jennings Finley Quarless Nelson

        Starks in the backfield


        Now we have a 2 TE set with two solid blocking TE's, one great blocker at WR and then the deep threat in Jennings.

        Watching tape, Starks is such a natural pass catcher. I can envision him being able to line up wide and catch like a receiver.


        In this set, if teams go nickle or dime, we can run it down their throat with all of the good blockers on the field. If they stay base, we can move Starks out wide and attack their coverage.

        Maybe if they have a weak nickle back, we could go 5 wide and attack nickle too. . .. .


        Just one little package that might work against some teams.
        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by steve823
          If Quarless does develop, which I think he will, I think we would use him as a TE/WR. We can do just like we did with Finley and line them both up all over the field and create mismatches. Imagine Arod being able to have 2 options to throw a fade to in the red zone. Of course it might take a year or two for him to develop, like it did with Finley.

          This year is looking great already, all homer-ism aside. The only thing that can really hurt us is if we get all our CB's injured again and have to put Bush and Martin on the field .
          Finley could absolutely split out or drop into the slot.

          It would be fun to see a defense scramble the first time Quarles lined up at TE and Finley went out wide against a corner.
          [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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          • #50
            I have no problem with them getting a TE. Sounds great to me.

            But I hate this guy already. He's an arrogant douchebag-

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            • #51
              Originally posted by get louder at lambeau
              I have no problem with them getting a TE. Sounds great to me.

              But I hate this guy already. He's an arrogant douchebag-
              http://bustersports.com/blog/buster-...otball-player/
              Because of tattoos?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Gunakor
                Originally posted by wist43
                where we left off at was a 51 point embarrassment.
                Wist, have you ever considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, that was a freak occurance? You know, like if we lined the same two teams up for a game this afternoon, perhaps the score would be different?

                Just because we have the same players doesn't mean we're the same team, first of all. Players develop and improve. When you're talking about the youngest team in the NFL you're talking a lot of potential improvement without adding even one single new body to the mix.

                Secondly, as I've been trying to say, the best team doesn't always win this game. Just look at the shape of the ball they play with and you can tell that luck is involved to some degree. So even if we were to stay exactly the same talent wise, and we continue to win 10+ games per season, and we become yearly playoff participants, the law of averages says eventually we would get lucky - and have a ring to show for it.
                "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a wonderful Christmas"

                "IF" did not happen... a 51 pt debacle happened; and our ranking was a mirage... who did they play??? Rams, Lions twice, TB, Browns, Niners, Seahawks??? That's 7 of the worse offenses in the league. Defensively we need more to really be a player in the tournament.
                wist

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Brandon494
                  Originally posted by get louder at lambeau
                  I have no problem with them getting a TE. Sounds great to me.

                  But I hate this guy already. He's an arrogant douchebag-
                  http://bustersports.com/blog/buster-...otball-player/
                  Because of tattoos?
                  No, because of what his choice in tattoos says about him. He feels the need to make sure he lets everyone around him know he thinks he's "GODS GIFT" in the biggest block lettering that would fit on his arms.

                  That = he's an arrogant douchebag. I don't see any other possible interpretation, personally. Hope I'm wrong.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by get louder at lambeau
                    I have no problem with them getting a TE. Sounds great to me.

                    But I hate this guy already. He's an arrogant douchebag-
                    http://bustersports.com/blog/buster-...otball-player/
                    I agree. Let's give "God's Gift" a bunch of money in Green Bay WI and see if he can be a good boy ( Coach I won't drink no more
                    )
                    Sorry he might have a huge upside but he's a big risk.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Lurker64
                      It probably depends on how Havner and Quarless do as blockers. Finley is a spirited blocker, but Lee is our best blocking TE.

                      That being said though, I wouldn't be surprised in situations where you just want to have an extra TE simply for blocking purposes that we do the "six offensive linemen" thing that the Bengals did a lot last year, to get their first round LT who wasn't starting on the field. That worked pretty well for them.
                      Um, you mean the U-72?

                      Nooooooooooooo!
                      --
                      Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                      • #56
                        Picking someone who all agree is top flight talent down in the 5th is a no brainer. Position of need or not.

                        Not a good idea because of Finley? Even if you ignore how potent a good two TE set can be, depth at any position can not be overstated. Every player on every team is always one play away from a season ending injury.

                        HOWEVER I would very much like to know more about that tat. That's something else if it isn't being taken out of context. If that guy didn't make the NFL, he'd be wearing long sleeves to job interviews for the rest of his life.
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                        Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by wist43
                          Originally posted by Gunakor
                          Originally posted by wist43
                          where we left off at was a 51 point embarrassment.
                          Wist, have you ever considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, that was a freak occurance? You know, like if we lined the same two teams up for a game this afternoon, perhaps the score would be different?

                          Just because we have the same players doesn't mean we're the same team, first of all. Players develop and improve. When you're talking about the youngest team in the NFL you're talking a lot of potential improvement without adding even one single new body to the mix.

                          Secondly, as I've been trying to say, the best team doesn't always win this game. Just look at the shape of the ball they play with and you can tell that luck is involved to some degree. So even if we were to stay exactly the same talent wise, and we continue to win 10+ games per season, and we become yearly playoff participants, the law of averages says eventually we would get lucky - and have a ring to show for it.
                          "If if and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a wonderful Christmas"

                          "IF" did not happen... a 51 pt debacle happened; and our ranking was a mirage... who did they play??? Rams, Lions twice, TB, Browns, Niners, Seahawks??? That's 7 of the worse offenses in the league. Defensively we need more to really be a player in the tournament.
                          That was the only time a team scored 51 points against us last year. You make it sound like this is was the norm. I think we have an above average defense that had a horrible game. You think we have a below average defense that overachieved. Yet the fact remains, that was the only game where our opponent scored that many points.

                          The truth probably lies somewhere in the midde.

                          In any case, our defense only gave up 45 points that game, not 51. Their defense also gave up 45 points that day, and the year prior that defense was playing Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl. So I don't read a whole lot into that game in particular. It was a freak occurance, one that would not happen again if we were to have played that game again this afternoon.
                          Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Guiness
                            Originally posted by Lurker64
                            It probably depends on how Havner and Quarless do as blockers. Finley is a spirited blocker, but Lee is our best blocking TE.

                            That being said though, I wouldn't be surprised in situations where you just want to have an extra TE simply for blocking purposes that we do the "six offensive linemen" thing that the Bengals did a lot last year, to get their first round LT who wasn't starting on the field. That worked pretty well for them.
                            Um, you mean the U-72?

                            Nooooooooooooo!
                            Come on, how much fun would this be:



                            With Bulaga, Finley, and Quarless as your TEs...
                            </delurk>

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Gunakor
                              Originally posted by wist43
                              Originally posted by Gunakor
                              Originally posted by wist43
                              where we left off at was a 51 point embarrassment.
                              Wist, have you ever considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, that was a freak occurance? You know, like if we lined the same two teams up for a game this afternoon, perhaps the score would be different?

                              Just because we have the same players doesn't mean we're the same team, first of all. Players develop and improve. When you're talking about the youngest team in the NFL you're talking a lot of potential improvement without adding even one single new body to the mix.

                              Secondly, as I've been trying to say, the best team doesn't always win this game. Just look at the shape of the ball they play with and you can tell that luck is involved to some degree. So even if we were to stay exactly the same talent wise, and we continue to win 10+ games per season, and we become yearly playoff participants, the law of averages says eventually we would get lucky - and have a ring to show for it.
                              "If if and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a wonderful Christmas"

                              "IF" did not happen... a 51 pt debacle happened; and our ranking was a mirage... who did they play??? Rams, Lions twice, TB, Browns, Niners, Seahawks??? That's 7 of the worse offenses in the league. Defensively we need more to really be a player in the tournament.
                              That was the only time a team scored 51 points against us last year. You make it sound like this is was the norm. I think we have an above average defense that had a horrible game. You think we have a below average defense that overachieved. Yet the fact remains, that was the only game where our opponent scored that many points.

                              The truth probably lies somewhere in the midde.

                              In any case, our defense only gave up 45 points that game, not 51. Their defense also gave up 45 points that day, and the year prior that defense was playing Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl. So I don't read a whole lot into that game in particular. It was a freak occurance, one that would not happen again if we were to have played that game again this afternoon.

                              Agree that our defense is above average; but we had several horrible games so I'm not sure I'd call us getting lit up against a stellar offense a freak occurance. Toi me our most impressive showing at home was against Dallas. Otherwise, we got torched by some very good offenses, and shut out some bad ones, and had some average games as well.



                              Bad Games
                              Cincy- 31 pts
                              Tamps Bay 38pts
                              MN 38pts
                              MN 30pts
                              AZ 45pts
                              PIT 38

                              Stellar Games

                              Lions 0pts
                              Browns 3pts
                              Dallas 7pts
                              Lions 12pts
                              Seahawks 10pts
                              Arizona 7pts (Although they did not seem to be trying

                              Decent Games

                              49ers 24pts
                              Ravens 14pts
                              Bears 14pts
                              Bears 15pts
                              Rams 17pts
                              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                              • #60
                                Regarding AQ's tatoos:

                                I can't keep a sig longer than a week, so I know better than to get a tattoo.

                                They are kind of permanent.

                                Joe Pa nearly booted this kid off the team after his 2nd JA, the 2nd one coming with a DUI. Considering that AQ is the one who broke Joe Pa's leg in Camp Randall you would think that Coach would have been looking for the first excuse to get rid of him, and the kid got two more chances than Joe Pa usually gives anybody. He's had his nose clean for quite a while, and the Pack got good character references.

                                I lean toward the idea that the tats acknowledge a little spiritual play on words.

                                Me, personally, I don't do tats for Jesus.

                                I can't run a 4.65 40 with a 38" vertical either.
                                [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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