Performance Enhancers

[twoseven]

..guys who are TRULY dedicated to proper nutrition and lifting habits can look silly good. Jim Cordova competes in the drug free circuit and for my taste his physique is superior to any of the bloated midsection Roidhead freaks out there.

this is exactly what i am hoping some of the non experienced lifters that might read this will be able to see and understand, and it was the entire point of my starting this string. i spend every day working with others to try and help them achieve these same things clean, convincing them they are only limited by their own imaginations. it's important to me that when things like Cushing's example pop up that no one runs wild with too much specualtion on other athletes at the same time. because although there may be a few that get it, there are still too many that see muscles and think cheater, regardless of what the truth may be. i just figured this was a good opportunity to try and bend some minds a different direction.

[swede]

What about Arnold?

He had that beautiful 26 inch waist to go with the massive upper body.

Are you going to ruin my day and tell me that Conan was built out of 'roids?

[swede]

Never mind...

I think this is all the answer I need...

[swede]

Okay, now THIS guy had to be clean!

The one, the only, Steve Reeves.

[pbmax]

What about Arnold?

He had that beautiful 26 inch waist to go with the massive upper body.

Are you going to ruin my day and tell me that Conan was built out of 'roids?

Arnold has gone public with his admission of use.

[Guiness]

Late 50's and early 60's lifters almost all used. The roids were new on the scene, and the 'side' effects were unknown, debated, not understood, etc. Sergio Olivia was another from that generation.

I've got a relative that was in the US forces - paratrooper around that time. He was a massive specimen, and talked about the 'little white pills' that he was given with his meals. On retrospective, he's pretty sure he was being juiced by the forces.

[twoseven]

Late 50's and early 60's lifters almost all used. The roids were new on the scene, and the 'side' effects were unknown, debated, not understood, etc. Sergio Olivia was another from that generation.

I've got a relative that was in the US forces - paratrooper around that time. He was a massive specimen, and talked about the 'little white pills' that he was given with his meals. On retrospective, he's pretty sure he was being juiced by the forces.

the germans if i rememeber correctly were the first to work towards something like this, thought they were the lead contributors to what in fact became your first anabolics to create a superhuman soldier. meanwhile, something to help repair the beat up and injured bodies was also sought after. amphetamines have been used for centuries if not eons to keep soldiers moving along, would not be shocked if that was more likely what he was being given. anyone that has ever used a charged up combo of those super energy mixes can attest to how much more effective they feel and perform on them, steroids or not.

[bobblehead]

What about Arnold?

He had that beautiful 26 inch waist to go with the massive upper body.

Are you going to ruin my day and tell me that Conan was built out of 'roids?

Arnold has gone public with his admission of use.

To see the "clean" Arnold, go watch the last terminator movie he was in. Something like 54 years old at the time, and he had health problems that would have made it almost impossible to juice. he still looked fucking awesome and he had been clean for a long time at that point.

[pbmax]

What about Arnold?

He had that beautiful 26 inch waist to go with the massive upper body.

Are you going to ruin my day and tell me that Conan was built out of 'roids?

Arnold has gone public with his admission of use.

To see the "clean" Arnold, go watch the last terminator movie he was in. Something like 54 years old at the time, and he had health problems that would have made it almost impossible to juice. he still looked fucking awesome and he had been clean for a long time at that point.

All quite possible. I was just stating that he has admitting to using them. He claims he used them while they were still legal and over the counter.

[Guiness]

Late 50's and early 60's lifters almost all used. The roids were new on the scene, and the 'side' effects were unknown, debated, not understood, etc. Sergio Olivia was another from that generation.

I've got a relative that was in the US forces - paratrooper around that time. He was a massive specimen, and talked about the 'little white pills' that he was given with his meals. On retrospective, he's pretty sure he was being juiced by the forces.

the germans if i rememeber correctly were the first to work towards something like this, thought they were the lead contributors to what in fact became your first anabolics to create a superhuman soldier. meanwhile, something to help repair the beat up and injured bodies was also sought after. amphetamines have been used for centuries if not eons to keep soldiers moving along, would not be shocked if that was more likely what he was being given. anyone that has ever used a charged up combo of those super energy mixes can attest to how much more effective they feel and perform on them, steroids or not.

He was a paratrooper - beans went with the territory when on active duty (he did two tours in Korea) but the pills he was referring to were being given to him when he was back at the base.

East Germans and steroids - remember the bulked up women and sex checks?

[bobblehead]

What about Arnold?

He had that beautiful 26 inch waist to go with the massive upper body.

Are you going to ruin my day and tell me that Conan was built out of 'roids?

Arnold has gone public with his admission of use.

To see the "clean" Arnold, go watch the last terminator movie he was in. Something like 54 years old at the time, and he had health problems that would have made it almost impossible to juice. he still looked fucking awesome and he had been clean for a long time at that point.

All quite possible. I was just stating that he has admitting to using them. He claims he used them while they were still legal and over the counter.

No doubt, I wasn't trying to dispute that. He DEFINATLY did the juice in his day. He has admitted it and had thyroid problems for his efforts. I didn't mean to infer otherwise. But since 27 is trying to show what a dedicated clean bodybuilder can achieve I thought the clean 54 year old arnie was a great example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMvuIBcA8Qo

[Cleft Crusty]

The best performance enhancer Clefty has ever seen is a good swift kick in the ass.

[Administrator]

The best performance enhancer Clefty has ever seen is a good swift kick in the ass.

Vince, is that you?

[get louder at lambeau]

The best performance enhancer Clefty has ever seen is a good swift kick in the ass.

Vince, is that you?

I met a guy once who claimed his dad played under Lombardi. I think it was practice squad or something, not sure. Anyway, he told me (and he wasn't proud of this, kinda whispering) that Lombardi kicked his dad in the ass with some pointy-toed wingtip dress shoes on, and tore his rectum.

[swede]

That's how it was with Vince. He either fixed 'em or rectum.