Performance Enhancers

[twoseven]

Everyone tends to use some sort of PE, and I think it's common place in every sport. Usually for faster recoveries, I would think.

I like all the stories out there too about roids and how "they make you so much stronger" - they actually don't. They lessen muscle fatigue significantly, which in turn causes you to be able to work out more. You still have to "earn" your muscles. Of course, there are negatives to roids too, everyonw knoiws it.

I just think in general, PE's are just really common place and I don't think much of it. I mean, look at the starcaps case going on - does anyone really care? Did star caps really effect anything on the field? Pretty doubtful.

i agree, this was the point of my wanting to start this convo. there's still some knee-jerk reaction when you hear or read the words performance enhancer. but when you stop to think about it for a minute you realize just how many people are doing or taking something to enhance their own performance, and maybe we should find a different set of words for the sometimes illegal or immoral and possibly dangerous maigc potions some use versus the legal and safe stuff a great many of use use on a dialy or weekly basis.

i still disagree with you guys on this point. Steroids are scientifically designed to be more anabolic than Testosterone, therefore they WILL stimulate more growth. The other stuff is true too, you will recover faster and suffer less fatigue, but believe me, bovine growth hormone isn't given to cows so they can recover faster from workouts...its so they grow more mass and produce more milk with the SAME amount of not working out. Steroids are simply better cell production stimulators than our bodies natural steroid of testosterone.

now that isn't to say guys can't get freaky strong and ripped naturally by taking a little more time, but a natural body builder will never compete with a dirty one, all other things being equal.

27, the reason we jump to conclusions when we see a cushing with a ripped up body is because he likely doesn't commit to bodybuilding like the guys who do it clean. he is a football player and is working on athletic performance.....when suddenly he looks like he is competing in mr. universe its natural that we assume the worst. (maybe not fair, but natural).

i said people jump to conclusions when they see the words performance enhancers and it was the only reason why i started this string. to get away from the roids talk and look at what enhancers can actually come to mean when the word Drugs is not attached to Performance Enhancing.

[twoseven]

Quick question for 27, or anyone else with knowledge. I was wondering how effective NO enhancers are long term and if there is a specific product line that is worth using.

Tough question to answer BH. No enhancers? Depends on your definition of an enhancer - is a couple cans of coke or coffee an enhancer (caffeine)? Protein powders? Some products will give you a lot of return, and you need to select a type based on your body, your goals, etc. Personally, I have a very high metabolism, and had (have) trouble keeping weight on when I'm active, so I used a lot of the high calorie shakes. Someone else who bumped up their intake might just get fat.

There are certainly a lot of product lines out there. I believe in finding a store I'm comfortable with, and shopping local as opposed to mail ordering stuff. Decide what style of product you want to use, and go to a store and talk to them about it. I do like the Optium Pro blend, so it's one to consider.

I didn't realize the would read no enhancer, I meant nitrous oxide enhancer. Arginine is the key ingrediant and I used the first one out years ago. Was just wondering if anything better was out. I might simply try 10 grams of Arginine before bed (powder form) and see what happens.

that's a pretty big dose before being non-active, might be an interesting time getting to sleep. i get 5g from the Black, and 2.5g from Extreme. Black is before breakfast and before lunch. Extreme is 30 min before workout.

I've read that a big load like 10 grams on an empty stomach would help the body release HgH....since the body releases during sleep it seems like the time to take it. I'll see, maybe it won't work, but I'm going to try it I think.

my only concern is how much it costs per serving of Arg, gets pretty spendy with what i am using to take it outside of the directives. the FREE way to stimulate natural GH release is by implementing the big, full body lifts into your routine (if you aren't already) like squats, deads, cleans, heavy pulls and presses.

EDIT: so i search cheapest Arg and come up with this

http://www.global-supplements.com/l-arginine/?gclid=CPydpITg2KECFQpciAodRTwlJA

4,000mg tabs, 75 tabs per bottle, $21 and $6 shipping. think it's lowest on net. shoots my cost issue right to hell. unlimited order size and shipping still only $6.

I've been MIA on this thread for awhile....politics caught my interest a little lately.

I think I'll order from this site, I was thinking of using powdered, but this seems like a good value.

I don't do as many of those big body lifts anymore as my age is starting to inhibit me a little bit and I don't want injury. I've been out of the game lately with 2 shoulder scopes and an elbow surgery. Took away my last 3 years of lifting and I'm just looking to get back at it again as my body fat is up around 20% now (from 8% 5 years ago). My fault for not watching my diet when I couldn't lift.

this IS powdered. much to my surprise it came without even a scoop or exact ratios for serving sizes. found a conversion site, did the math based on total servings they list and found a teaspoon to equate to about 3,000 mg.

btw, NO2 Black SUCKS. it has done nothing for me, and the shit is expensive.