Bedard article on Finley (yikes)

[Tarlam!]

Us Packer fans have got a pretty good thing going if the only character concerns we have concern one tattooed rookie TE and whether or not the starting TE is genuinely remorseful or not.

BTW, What is McAdoo supposed to tell the press? He didn't deny that Finley broke curfew. He said it wasn't accurate, which could mean there was more or less to the incident.

I'm sure Finley's agent saw what TT did with Walker and what happened to Walker post-Green Bay. I'm equally certain the chemistry is where it needs to be to keep even an All World TE humble.

I don't see the looming dark clouds on the horizon others might be seeing...

[sharpe1027]

Plus, say whatever about TO, but he is known as the hardest worker on the field.

Right now JF is kinda the ANTI TO. He says all the right things, but does the wrong things. TO does all the right things, but says the dumbest shit you ever want to hear. I worry that Finley has simply figured out what people want to hear and is saying it while harboring feelings that he is smarter/better than everyone and can do what he wants.

I'm not so sure you can make such a clear distinction between what TO "says" and what he "does." What you say is part of what you do. TO's antics disrupted his teams so much that he was deemed expendable (multiple times) even when he was putting up big numbers and not dropping passes. I can't say that I will ever consider TO to have done the "right things."

[RashanGary]

Plus, say whatever about TO, but he is known as the hardest worker on the field.

Right now JF is kinda the ANTI TO. He says all the right things, but does the wrong things. TO does all the right things, but says the dumbest shit you ever want to hear. I worry that Finley has simply figured out what people want to hear and is saying it while harboring feelings that he is smarter/better than everyone and can do what he wants.

Yep, that's exactly what I think. He's saying some of the right things, but I listened to his lockerroom interview. I get a strong sense that he thinks he's above it all. He strikes me as very, very cocky, almost arrogant.

Quarless mgiht never be the player Finley is, but I get the impression he's sincere. That's jsut me though.

[Tarlam!]

He's saying some of the right things, but I listened to his lockerroom interview. I get a strong sense that he thinks he's above it all. He strikes me as very, very cocky, almost arrogant.

That's jsut me though.

Wow, I can't believe what a different vibe I get than you, watching that interview. Maybe I was expecting the worst, because I read your take before I watched it.

It's clear to me that his diction hasn't been developed as a result of his college education nor has his grammar.

But his interview reminds more of a Nick Collins interview. We all know Nick aint the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but he's real football smart and is humble enough.

I'll be interested to see what other posters take from that interview...

[retailguy]

I think he has a little TO in him.

Right now JF is kinda the ANTI TO.

Yep, that's exactly what I think.

I am so confused. Please help. :P

[bobblehead]

Plus, say whatever about TO, but he is known as the hardest worker on the field.

Right now JF is kinda the ANTI TO. He says all the right things, but does the wrong things. TO does all the right things, but says the dumbest shit you ever want to hear. I worry that Finley has simply figured out what people want to hear and is saying it while harboring feelings that he is smarter/better than everyone and can do what he wants.

I'm not so sure you can make such a clear distinction between what TO "says" and what he "does." What you say is part of what you do. TO's antics disrupted his teams so much that he was deemed expendable (multiple times) even when he was putting up big numbers and not dropping passes. I can't say that I will ever consider TO to have done the "right things."

TO is a cancer, what he says is bad enough. I guess I was drawing a distinction that JF is saying all the right things, but has yet to match the TO work ethic that isn't denied even by his harshest critics (which I am one of).

[RashanGary]

I agree that Finley's whole act might be complete deception. He said he "used to" just tell people what they wanted to hear. Just hearing that, the type of person who goes around just lying. . . I've been around a few liars and in my experience, you don't fix a liar. They cannot help themselves.

Finley, even in acknowledging his lies, may be just being himself, a liar and one day he'll say, "in 2010, I was just telling eople what they want to hear" and right after that admission, he might tell yet another lie to get people to buy into him at that moment.


Just my opinion, I've been around liars are shady characters and I've never seen one change his stripes. Collins might be equally ghetto to Finley, but he doesn't strike me as equally arrogant or equally dishonest.

Just my impression. I hope I'm wrong.

But for now, go Finley. In this offense, with this QB, with these weapons around him, he's going to be unstoppable!!

[Joemailman]

Interesting tidbit from Jason Wilde:

"Tight ends coach Ben McAdoo said Finley’s statement that he missed curfew the night before the playoff game was not accurate, but he refused to elaborate."

Throws other light onto the Finley story. So, how much of the story is believable now, considering it was a one-sided story?

Player claims he misses curfew the night before a playoff game, and the coach says he didn't? I miss Max and Vince.

[Guiness]

I agree that Finley's whole act might be complete deception. He said he "used to" just tell people what they wanted to hear. Just hearing that, the type of person who goes around just lying. . . I've been around a few liars and in my experience, you don't fix a liar. They cannot help themselves.

Finley, even in acknowledging his lies, may be just being himself, a liar and one day he'll say, "in 2010, I was just telling eople what they want to hear" and right after that admission, he might tell yet another lie to get people to buy into him at that moment.


Just my opinion, I've been around liars are shady characters and I've never seen one change his stripes. Collins might be equally ghetto to Finley, but he doesn't strike me as equally arrogant or equally dishonest.

Just my impression. I hope I'm wrong.

But for now, go Finley. In this offense, with this QB, with these weapons around him, he's going to be unstoppable!!

You're right JH, and I've known some people who lied just by rote - not even to get themselves out of trouble, or to get something they want, they just lie because they can. Either they get a rise out of deceiving ppl, or it makes them look cool, etc.

So, did Finley say he was out past curfew because he wanted to look like a rebel?

[sharpe1027]

TO is a cancer, what he says is bad enough. I guess I was drawing a distinction that JF is saying all the right things, but has yet to match the TO work ethic that isn't denied even by his harshest critics (which I am one of).

I don't know anything about J. Finley's workouts, but he's not yet anywhere near TO's level for causing problems. That being said, TO wasn't a problem right away either...

[Upnorth]

TO is a cancer, what he says is bad enough. I guess I was drawing a distinction that JF is saying all the right things, but has yet to match the TO work ethic that isn't denied even by his harshest critics (which I am one of).

I don't know anything about J. Finley's workouts, but he's not yet anywhere near TO's level for causing problems. That being said, TO wasn't a problem right away either...

If Finley does turn out to be like TO, cutting him won't hurt as much since he is not our lead receiving threat. Don't get me wrong, he is a great bonus to the passing game, but with Driver and Jennings around a good TE can look great.
Also being stupid at 22 is different that at 27.

[sharpe1027]

If Finley does turn out to be like TO, cutting him won't hurt as much since he is not our lead receiving threat. Don't get me wrong, he is a great bonus to the passing game, but with Driver and Jennings around a good TE can look great.
Also being stupid at 22 is different that at 27.

He may not be the lead threat yet, but he may be soon.

Also, as a TE you can't compare the number of catches directly to that of a WR. Packages, routes, blocking assignments, ect. generally mean that a TE and a WR are not statistically equivalent.

Hopefully, your right about his age and him being able to grow up and change. I disagree with blanket statements that people can't change. They can and do, often in response to a significant event or strong outside influences.

[Upnorth]

If Finley does turn out to be like TO, cutting him won't hurt as much since he is not our lead receiving threat. Don't get me wrong, he is a great bonus to the passing game, but with Driver and Jennings around a good TE can look great.
Also being stupid at 22 is different that at 27.

He may not be the lead threat yet, but he may be soon.

Also, as a TE you can't compare the number of catches directly to that of a WR. Packages, routes, blocking assignments, ect. generally mean that a TE and a WR are not statistically equivalent.

Hopefully, your right about his age and him being able to grow up and change. I disagree with blanket statements that people can't change. They can and do, often in response to a significant event or strong outside influences.

I agree that TE and WR's are apples and oranges, but they do have an impact on each other. Take away Driver and Jennings and Finley probably does not shine the way he is. Take away Finley and the change won't be as dramatic to Driver and Jennings.

How is Finley at blocking? From what I have seen he is a bit below average, but I have not spent much time looking at his blocking. Anyone have anything on it?

[Fritz]

I think they have that piece of medical equipment that can measure weak spots on a players body. Finley just got in, probably got his physical, including the strength measurement on that machine. Because Finley probably babied that knee for a while, he probably has a little lingering weakness in those areas. It sounds like the knee is fine, but he's still getting strength back to the surrounding areas. Just working out and going through camp not babying it, I'm sure it will be fine.

I'm hoping he ends up in Fitz' camp. That would be a great place for a guy like Finley.

Packer Doctor: "I'm sorry, Mr. Finley, but the machine has found that your penis is weak. Very weak. You have the penis of a six year old girl."

[sharpe1027]

Looks like Jolly's the one we should all be concerned with:

Questionable behavior gets Jolly more bond restrictions

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/94590334.html