Packer Player Under Investigation In Sexual Assault

[BlueBrewer]

Damn, these girls are 31 and 33. I'm sorry, but Underwood is a 23 year old guy. Using common sense, if anyone is young and dumb here, it's Underwood. These are two grizzled vets, out on the town, like they probably have been a hundred times. They're alone, in a hotel room, with Brandon Underwood, getting sexually assaulted together.

31 and 33 is old enough to know how to say no and old enough to know they could get money out of this. I've never read one of these that read like a complete set up until this one. If Underwood did it, shame on him. Just reading what's available though, it sounds very suspicious.

My thoughts exactly.

[pbmax]

Thanks Mike. Clear as mud.

Sexual Assault is the legal category for all the different types of illegal behavior of a sexual nature. It does include rape, but also can include fondling and physical restraint. I think the Georgia laws Roethlisberger was up against had six degrees of sexual assault and non-consensual intercourse appeared in the 3rd degree and up.

[pbmax]

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/95693179.html

These players may be jumping the gun here, but this is perhaps a little telling...

When apprised that the investigation centered on Underwood, 23, several players who wished to remain anonymous said he had been a problem since he was drafted in the sixth round in 2009 out of Cincinnati.

And there's this from Underwood's bio page on Packers.com

Married to Brandie, the couple has two sons, Cameron, 1, and infant Blake

Whether he assaulted either of them or not, it's too bad he put himself in this position - for everyone involved.

It seems quite possible there were reasons other than physical maturity to explain Underwood dropping in the draft.

[Bretsky]

Who knows what occured here; but let's respect the fact that this would be a sensitive subject among genders before jumping to any conclusions.

[pbmax]

On the plus side, the Packers are no longer winning the offseason. This is good. Didn't Brett go to rehab before the Super Bowl season?

[Joemailman]

I think Jarrett Bush set this whole thing up.

[vince]

I've read that he already has compromising pictures of TT, so he's obviously capable of such underhanded tactics.

In football terms though, even without an arrest, the Packers will be forced to respond in some way. I can't believe they'll take too kindly to such behavior, particularly if there's some sort of pattern that's been occurring behind the scenes here.

In addition to helping the mastermind, this may well give your guy Bell a better shot as well JH.

[Tarlam!]

even without an arrest, the Packers will be forced to respond in some way. I can't believe they'll take too kindly to such behavior, particularly if there's some sort of pattern that's been occurring behind the scenes here.

It doesn't sound likely that there was legal wrong doing based on the article and the police reactions being reported. This has a different feeling than Ben Rapistburger.

Frankly, it if he wasn't married and he had consentual contact with two girls, then the guy is a hero to a heck of a lot of other guys, right? Where's Bretsky?

So, the Packers (et NFL) could only comment on a player that betrayed his family.

At what point is the employee no longer liable for his conduct outside of work hours? Does cheating your wife throw a bad light on the NFL or Packers?

[vince]

Good questions Tar. I'd say that they shouldn't cut him based on this one incident if he's not charged. The team should stay out of marital relations in my opinion.

What we don't know is the extent to which there is a pattern of unacceptable behavior here that hurts the team. There are hints that there are. Last year, Witt called Underwood "immature." Now there are anonymous players suggesting that the kid's a problem.

There may be an issue related to general distraction that isn't good for the team. I don't know enough to think the team should cut him at this point, but there's a fair chance that others do.

There's no question that not all players are treated equally, and Underwood isn't above being made an example of. He appears to have a promising chance to contribute to the team, but he's probably not overwhelmingly superior to Bell this year, and he's certainly not irreplaceable over the long-term either, so I don't think the team will hesitate to cut the chord if they feel that it's in the best interests to do so.

If they keep him, then I'm confident that, based on the complete information they have, it's the right thing to do.

[CaptainKickass]

Authorities were called to a Lake Delton condo around 4:20 a.m.

Must be nice to have the cops stop by for a quick bong hit. Wonder if they brought donuts for the munchies?

[Tarlam!]

Yeah, Vince, I see what you're saying. I put forward to you the Finley case as evidence that the Packers can be patient with immaturity if they think they have a winner on their hands.

If Underwood has the talent to be as good a CB as Finley is becoming a TE (knock on wood), then what does TT do? Admittedly, I have no idea about either players' conduct, or Underwood's potential; only what we get from the press. This comparison might be flawed, but it seemed like an interesting angle.

[Fred's Slacks]

A little off topic...I was reading one of the blogs on JSO about this and I made the mistake of reading the reader comments. Why is it that only morons post there? I get so upset reading those, but sometimes I can't stop myself. It's like gruesome crime scene photos. You know they're going to disturb you but you just have to look.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm curious how one woman was having consensual sex while the other claims he went to a bad place without permission. I have my theory.

[vince]

I'm pretty sure both women are claiming assault, at least that's what the articles linked above and elsewhere that I've seen say.

On a related note, it seems like Clay Matthews is throwing his teammate under the bus a bit, either to cover his own ass or perhaps because he's representing the frustration he and his teammates feel for Underwood's repeated behavior.

Matthews' Statements at Donald Drivers Charity Softball Event Today

Unfortunately one person kind of put himself in a situation that kind of dampened this weekend a little bit. It is unfortunate, there’s no doubt about it. But everybody showed up today, trying to move forward, trying to put that behind us and wipe our hands clean.
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It’s unfortunate that you’re portrayed in a negative way. It’s unfortunate, a little aggravating. But we need to move forward and that’s what we did today.

[GBRulz]

Damn, these girls are 31 and 33. I'm sorry, but Underwood is a 23 year old guy. Using common sense, if anyone is young and dumb here, it's Underwood. These are two grizzled vets, out on the town, like they probably have been a hundred times. They're alone, in a hotel room, with Brandon Underwood, getting sexually assaulted together.

31 and 33 is old enough to know how to say no and old enough to know they could get money out of this. I've never read one of these that read like a complete set up until this one. If Underwood did it, shame on him. Just reading what's available though, it sounds very suspicious.

First of all, until we have all the facts it's just speculation. Secondly, to say that the women are older and should know better has nothing to do with this. When someone says no, age doesn't matter. Then again, of all the years i've known you, your derogatory comments toward women certainly do not surprise me.