Bigby signs

[Gunakor]

I'm pretty sure someone would pay well for his services.

If you ain't his agent, you have no idea how it is.

So... Gun... Are you his agent?

I'm just sayin.....

I said "I'm pretty sure..."

Brandon's just telling it how it IS, though.

No, I'm not his agent, I don't claim to know for certain (unlike some people here), I'm simply PRETTY SURE he'll get paid well in FA should he get there. Based on comparison to other players with similar stats and similar injury history getting big paydays, I'm PRETTY SURE he'll get his payday too.

[retailguy]

Look I'll be really honest here. I think Bigby sucks. Always have. Big hitter, shitty in coverage, shitty when he has to think, and has a shitty attitude too.

If you want to parse words, parse them.

I'm PRETTY SURE he's out of the league in 2 more seasons, no matter what happens next year in free agency.

We all have an opinion. You should let others have theirs, even if they're positive they're right.

I'm not Bigby's agent either, but I damn sure have a clue. I have eyes, I watch games, I watch stats, and I know that stats are pretty damn deceiving sometimes. Look at the stats for the 2008 packers that finished 6-10.

[ThunderDan]

I'm pretty sure someone would pay well for his services.

If you ain't his agent, you have no idea how it is.

So... Gun... Are you his agent?

I'm just sayin.....

I said "I'm pretty sure..."

Brandon's just telling it how it IS, though.

No, I'm not his agent, I don't claim to know for certain (unlike some people here), I'm simply PRETTY SURE he'll get paid well in FA should he get there. Based on comparison to other players with similar stats and similar injury history getting big paydays, I'm PRETTY SURE he'll get his payday too.

Bigby was a RFA this year. If he was so good why didn't anyone tender Bigby? Didn't we tender him with a 2nd round pick? If he is one of the top at his position why wouldn't anyone kick the tires a little bit?

Hell, Bush got an offer from Tennessee and he sucks.

[rbaloha1]

If you ain't his agent, you have no idea how it is. Being top 10 amongst all safeties in interceptions 2 of the last 3 years, I'm pretty sure someone would pay well for his services.

I find it strange that Bigby is the only safety "lucky" to have all those picks while any other safety with that many is a ballhawk that can create for themselves. Poor logic IMO.

As far as that list of QB's you put up is concerned, why is Bigby the only one picking them off? Why is Bigby the only safety these QB's are throwing the ball directly at? Why is Bigby top 10 while the other safeties these guys play against aren't?

Do you even watch football or just go off stats?

Of course I watch football. But stats don't lie. Stats tell the story of the season, for the most part. Why the hell would they keep them if they didn't?

fantasy football

[get louder at lambeau]

I'm pretty sure someone would pay well for his services.

If you ain't his agent, you have no idea how it is.

So... Gun... Are you his agent?

I'm just sayin.....

I said "I'm pretty sure..."

Brandon's just telling it how it IS, though.

No, I'm not his agent, I don't claim to know for certain (unlike some people here), I'm simply PRETTY SURE he'll get paid well in FA should he get there. Based on comparison to other players with similar stats and similar injury history getting big paydays, I'm PRETTY SURE he'll get his payday too.

Bigby was a RFA this year. If he was so good why didn't anyone tender Bigby? Didn't we tender him with a 2nd round pick? If he is one of the top at his position why wouldn't anyone kick the tires a little bit?

Hell, Bush got an offer from Tennessee and he sucks.

There were over 200 RFAs out there this offseason, and how many of them changed teams? Not too many. The NFLPA is rumored to be looking into filing colluusion charges against the NFL regarding the lack of action in free agency this offseason.

As far as giving up a 2nd round pick, that's a pretty steep price for an injury prone 29 year old safety. We got a 3rd rounder for a Hall Of Fame QB. Teams are much more likely to spend money on a UFA than money and a high pick on an RFA. In Bush's case, I don't think Tennessee would have had to give up a pick at all, just money. Apples and oranges.

[Scott Campbell]

There are a lot of guys that you think suck that end up getting paid and having long careers.



Marquand Manuel | #36 | SS

Detroit Lions | Official Team Site

Height: 6-0 Weight: 213 Age: 31

Born: 7/11/1979 Miami , FL

College: Florida

Experience: 9th season

High School: Miami Senior HS [FL]

[packerbacker1234]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtRuoojLF1s

Forced Fumble on big hit in tied game early against Minn.
Diving interception in tight game against Minn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8UL77dK5JY&feature=PlayList&p=1C0241E48AA3092D&playnext=1&index=10

2007 Tight Playoff game against seattle - Forced fumble on big hit.

Of course, we all know in 2007 Bigby had a breakout year, with almost 90 tackles, 5 picks, 3 forced fumbles. It was a big year for him, and his only as a packer where he was healthy for 16 games.

The next season he was hurt and gone for most the season.

Back to being healthy enough to start 11 games, he grabbed 50 tackles and 4 picks. If he was healthy for the whole season, that averages out to 78 tackles and 6 picks.

So he is getting picks against bad qb's? Lets start talking Woodson then, where most his picks are against bad teams! "he only gets picks because teams throw it right at him" - news flash, 90% of picks for any player happen due to the ball being thrown at them, that is why it got picked. Woodson is a bit of an exception at times, but roughly half his ints were balls thrown right at him. Why does woodson get praised for it and bigby not? In order for the ball to be thrown "at" bigby, he has to be in the right position at the right time, and that is indeed "coverage" skills. Is he the best one on one? No. But when he is playing Zone he seems to be in the right position more times than not.


I am not arguing that Bigby is an elite SS, but he is certainly above average. 2007 Was amazing for him, he was hurt bad in 08, and then in 09, huirt again but healthy enough to start 11 games, he nabs 50 tackles adn 4 picks?

"oh but hassleback and" Hassleback has been to a super bowl, and has had a decent career. He is far from a "horrible" QB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Hasselbeck

The stats show it too. He has had a rough couple years, but the team around him just isn't very good. You can only do so much with what you have.

What I am saying is, I don't understand the bigby hate, and how "stats lie". Not sure how the stats can really lie. 10 picks in just 33 games started, plus 3 fumbles. That's 13 turnovers in 33 games. Thats a little over 1 every 3 games. So what is there to hate? He has been consistent with it since he got to GB, so why are we saying it's all luck?

I don't get it. Guy isn't a stud, but he is a reliable starting caliber SS.

[Brandon494]

I don't get it. Guy isn't a stud, but he is a reliable starting caliber SS.

Donald Lee isn't a stud either but hes a reliable starter at TE.

Its not about not liking Bigby, its about Morgan Burnett has the talent to be an All-Pro in this league.

Bigby has the advantage at experience and tackling but Burnett has the advantage at speed, range, athleticism, awareness, and intangibles. There is a reason the DPOY has been raving about Burnett. This kid can be special and I believe we have already seen the best of what Bigby has to offer.

[pbmax]

Look I'll be really honest here. I think Bigby sucks. Always have. Big hitter, shitty in coverage, shitty when he has to think, and has a shitty attitude too.

If you want to parse words, parse them.

I'm PRETTY SURE he's out of the league in 2 more seasons, no matter what happens next year in free agency.

We all have an opinion. You should let others have theirs, even if they're positive they're right.

I'm not Bigby's agent either, but I damn sure have a clue. I have eyes, I watch games, I watch stats, and I know that stats are pretty damn deceiving sometimes. Look at the stats for the 2008 packers that finished 6-10.

Didn't Bigby make the secondary calls for Perry and Capers last year? While I agree with the most of the rest of the characterization, Bigby, to my eyes, doesn't have a problem with recognition or diagnosing, its speed to get there. Esp. backwards.

Mostly this thread is a long winded version of: Bigby is a starting caliber safety in the NFL with several limitations. Replaceable with a good talent.

But now that he is injured and on PUP with Harris, this might be the end. Its not going to sit well with the team that he tried to get a long term deal all offseason and did not get his ankle taken care of. As the Collins mention earlier this thread made clear, even his teammates knew he wasn't 100% this summer.

[retailguy]

Look I'll be really honest here. I think Bigby sucks. Always have. Big hitter, shitty in coverage, shitty when he has to think, and has a shitty attitude too.

If you want to parse words, parse them.

I'm PRETTY SURE he's out of the league in 2 more seasons, no matter what happens next year in free agency.

We all have an opinion. You should let others have theirs, even if they're positive they're right.

I'm not Bigby's agent either, but I damn sure have a clue. I have eyes, I watch games, I watch stats, and I know that stats are pretty damn deceiving sometimes. Look at the stats for the 2008 packers that finished 6-10.

Didn't Bigby make the secondary calls for Perry and Capers last year? While I agree with the most of the rest of the characterization, Bigby, to my eyes, doesn't have a problem with recognition or diagnosing, its speed to get there. Esp. backwards.

Mostly this thread is a long winded version of: Bigby is a starting caliber safety in the NFL with several limitations. Replaceable with a good talent.

But now that he is injured and on PUP with Harris, this might be the end. Its not going to sit well with the team that he tried to get a long term deal all offseason and did not get his ankle taken care of. As the Collins mention earlier this thread made clear, even his teammates knew he wasn't 100% this summer.

Not sure PB, maybe Noah Herron donated his cement shoes to Bigby and that's the real problem. In any case, there is a large issue there of that I'm "PRETTY SURE". (Just to use the proper "word parsing" technique.)

[pbmax]

Look I'll be really honest here. I think Bigby sucks. Always have. Big hitter, shitty in coverage, shitty when he has to think, and has a shitty attitude too.

If you want to parse words, parse them.

I'm PRETTY SURE he's out of the league in 2 more seasons, no matter what happens next year in free agency.

We all have an opinion. You should let others have theirs, even if they're positive they're right.

I'm not Bigby's agent either, but I damn sure have a clue. I have eyes, I watch games, I watch stats, and I know that stats are pretty damn deceiving sometimes. Look at the stats for the 2008 packers that finished 6-10.

Didn't Bigby make the secondary calls for Perry and Capers last year? While I agree with the most of the rest of the characterization, Bigby, to my eyes, doesn't have a problem with recognition or diagnosing, its speed to get there. Esp. backwards.

Mostly this thread is a long winded version of: Bigby is a starting caliber safety in the NFL with several limitations. Replaceable with a good talent.

But now that he is injured and on PUP with Harris, this might be the end. Its not going to sit well with the team that he tried to get a long term deal all offseason and did not get his ankle taken care of. As the Collins mention earlier this thread made clear, even his teammates knew he wasn't 100% this summer.

Not sure PB, maybe Noah Herron donated his cement shoes to Bigby and that's the real problem. In any case, there is a large issue there of that I'm "PRETTY SURE". (Just to use the proper "word parsing" technique.)

No need to parse, RG. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. When I get Patlerized, I like to at least learn from the mistake.

[retailguy]

Look I'll be really honest here. I think Bigby sucks. Always have. Big hitter, shitty in coverage, shitty when he has to think, and has a shitty attitude too.

If you want to parse words, parse them.

I'm PRETTY SURE he's out of the league in 2 more seasons, no matter what happens next year in free agency.

We all have an opinion. You should let others have theirs, even if they're positive they're right.

I'm not Bigby's agent either, but I damn sure have a clue. I have eyes, I watch games, I watch stats, and I know that stats are pretty damn deceiving sometimes. Look at the stats for the 2008 packers that finished 6-10.

Didn't Bigby make the secondary calls for Perry and Capers last year? While I agree with the most of the rest of the characterization, Bigby, to my eyes, doesn't have a problem with recognition or diagnosing, its speed to get there. Esp. backwards.

Mostly this thread is a long winded version of: Bigby is a starting caliber safety in the NFL with several limitations. Replaceable with a good talent.

But now that he is injured and on PUP with Harris, this might be the end. Its not going to sit well with the team that he tried to get a long term deal all offseason and did not get his ankle taken care of. As the Collins mention earlier this thread made clear, even his teammates knew he wasn't 100% this summer.

Not sure PB, maybe Noah Herron donated his cement shoes to Bigby and that's the real problem. In any case, there is a large issue there of that I'm "PRETTY SURE". (Just to use the proper "word parsing" technique.)

No need to parse, RG. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. When I get Patlerized, I like to at least learn from the mistake.

I was referring to the "parsing" discussion earlier in the thread. Since I'm not Bigby's agent, I don't know, therefore I can't be "definitive".

Sorry for not being clearer. Patlerize away, my friend. :P

[SkinBasket]

I don't get it.

Maybe you're just stuck in 2007. You still watching Stomp the Yard and listening to Umbrella?

[rbaloha1]

I don't get it.

Maybe you're just stuck in 2007. You still watching Stomp the Yard and listening to Umbrella?

AB does not matter anymore. Another Rosenhaus client screwed.

[The Leaper]

Bigby ain't bad...he's a soild starter. However, I was touting Burnett early and often. I think this kid is going to be a very good player. I prefer safeties to have natural ball skills. That is where Bigby struggles. He can make plays on the ball in front of him...but just about any secondary player in the NFL should be able to do that. Bigby gets lost when the ball is tossed up over his head.

Burnett may not start week 1...but he'll see significant time anyway and probably will be the starter by midseason.