Mason Crosby

[Tony Oday]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortableStats?div=NFL&table=kicking&stat=kickFg&dir=descending

He is 25th in accuracy and was 2/6 in 50+...though he did try a 66 yarder right so call that 2/5. He is not a top 10 kicker therefore we should look for a replacement. Hell that is the reason people want to get rid of Ryan Grant.

[retailguy]

Crosby has kicked in 48 regular season games, 12 preseason games and 1 playoff game. In those 61 games he has had 3 long snappers and 6 different holders. Now he is working with two more new ones. In previous TCs he has worked with at least two others that I can think of on a regular basis. At least 10 different holders in 3 years. Not one of his holders had significant NFL experience as a holder, and I think only Flynn and Frost had significant experience in college. After Davis, his long snappers were rookies when they came on board. That borders on the ridiculous when you factor in that Crosby himself is just learning the NFL game.

Crosby has as many 50+ yard attempts in 3 seasons as Longwell had in his first 8 seasons. That has impacted his overall percentage, going 8/17 (including the 66 yarder, or whatever it was, a couple years ago). Longwell was 9/17, but rarely tried anything even as long as 55.

Even with his struggles last year, and the "short" misses, Crosby is over 80% on kicks under 50 yards. His statistical problem is that every sixth kick he tries is one that he has no better than about a 50/50 chance of making. Crosby has 109 attempts, with 17 from 50+. Longwell had 250 attempts in the 8 seasons it took him to have 17 attempts at 50+. If Crosby was 4/8 on 50-59 yarders instead of 8/16 and 0/1 on 60+ yarders, his career percentage would be above the magic number of 80% and no one would be talking about it.

Yes, Crosby missed a couple last year that he should have made, and we all remember those vividly. Every kicker misses some he shouldn't from time to time. Crosby has also made a few big ones in his short career already. Longwell didn't make a game winning kick for a quite a few years early in his career. Not a single one. It was a constant knock on him. But he became automatic after a while.

Crosby needs experience and consistency to develop a comfort zone. He has had no opportunity for that so far. Kinda makes you wish they had kept Jon Ryan, who seemed to be getting pretty good at holding, pulling in some bad snaps his last season in GB. Crosby, Ryan and Goode could have developed a close working relationship by now.

Now don't go bringing FACTS into this discussion! They need a good villian! And besides it takes the focus off the PUNTER.

[red]

fuck me if i'm wrong, but didn't the packers coaches slam the door on him when he wanted to get outside help to fix his problem?

i think i recall crosby wanting to go work with a kicking specialist on the right hash problem, but slocum or slowick, or whoever the the slap ass special teams coach is, said that he would have none of it and he would fix the problem

this happened right, and it wasn't just some dream?

IMO, we have a very good young kicker who developed a case of the shanks last year and is being forced to deal with it without professional help, so he's become a complete mess.

you don't cut a kicker that is as good as him, even with the shanks he is one of the better kickers in the nfl. let him get his head back on straight and things should get better

[red]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortableStats?div=NFL&table=kicking&stat=kickFg&di r=descending

He is 25th in accuracy and was 2/6 in 50+...though he did try a 66 yarder right so call that 2/5. He is not a top 10 kicker therefore we should look for a replacement. Hell that is the reason people want to get rid of Ryan Grant.

look at that guy that is #2 on that list. didn't we cut him or let him walk because he also wasn't accurate enough?

i remember at the time thinking good riddance when he signed with the queens

[Brandon494]

Im getting tired of Crosby, yea he has a hell of a leg but would you trust him to make a game winning field goal? Because I sure as hell don't.

[Tony Oday]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortableStats?div=NFL&table=kicking&stat=kickFg&di r=descending

He is 25th in accuracy and was 2/6 in 50+...though he did try a 66 yarder right so call that 2/5. He is not a top 10 kicker therefore we should look for a replacement. Hell that is the reason people want to get rid of Ryan Grant.

look at that guy that is #2 on that list. didn't we cut him or let him walk because he also wasn't accurate enough?

i remember at the time thinking good riddance when he signed with the queens

Then you were wrong as you are now defending a mediocre kicker

[Freak Out]

I say we bring Favre in to hold for him.....that way he gets his chance to win another ring.

[pbmax]

But if you start cutting off fingers on his right hand you'll lighten him up over on that side and his leg will swing better and truer and he won't miss right.

Don't start explaining, it made sense the first time.

[pbmax]

Crosby has kicked in 48 regular season games, 12 preseason games and 1 playoff game. In those 61 games he has had 3 long snappers and 6 different holders. Now he is working with two more new ones. In previous TCs he has worked with at least two others that I can think of on a regular basis. At least 10 different holders in 3 years. Not one of his holders had significant NFL experience as a holder, and I think only Flynn and Frost had significant experience in college. After Davis, his long snappers were rookies when they came on board. That borders on the ridiculous when you factor in that Crosby himself is just learning the NFL game.

Crosby has as many 50+ yard attempts in 3 seasons as Longwell had in his first 8 seasons. That has impacted his overall percentage, going 8/17 (including the 66 yarder, or whatever it was, a couple years ago). Longwell was 9/17, but rarely tried anything even as long as 55.

Even with his struggles last year, and the "short" misses, Crosby is over 80% on kicks under 50 yards. His statistical problem is that every sixth kick he tries is one that he has no better than about a 50/50 chance of making. Crosby has 109 attempts, with 17 from 50+. Longwell had 250 attempts in the 8 seasons it took him to have 17 attempts at 50+. If Crosby was 4/8 on 50-59 yarders instead of 8/16 and 0/1 on 60+ yarders, his career percentage would be above the magic number of 80% and no one would be talking about it.

Yes, Crosby missed a couple last year that he should have made, and we all remember those vividly. Every kicker misses some he shouldn't from time to time. Crosby has also made a few big ones in his short career already. Longwell didn't make a game winning kick for a quite a few years early in his career. Not a single one. It was a constant knock on him. But he became automatic after a while.

Crosby needs experience and consistency to develop a comfort zone. He has had no opportunity for that so far. Kinda makes you wish they had kept Jon Ryan, who seemed to be getting pretty good at holding, pulling in some bad snaps his last season in GB. Crosby, Ryan and Goode could have developed a close working relationship by now.

Just a lovely post. Did you get a cease and desist letter from United Features Syndicate over the avatar?

[falco]

I think Crosby is still the man, but I'm surprised they didn't bring in competition to push him.

[Tony Oday]

he's a sub 80% kicker. The good kickers in the NFL are +80% EVEN WITH the 50+ yard attempts. I hope he is the man but I dont think he is and he SHOULD have competition.

[The Leaper]

Good kickers in the NFL often play in domes and in warm weather climates.

Crosby's accuracy issues are a concern, but not enough to toss the guy away yet. Kickers often take 4-5 years to gain a true comfort level for the league...the K balls, the different stadiums, long snappers/holders, etc. We've already seen what can happen when you let a guy go who is young...they wind up blossoming elsewhere.

Our special teams overall have been a major concern for the last 2-3 years, and I lay the blame for that on the coaching staff. I think Crosby's issues are more a result of ineptitude with the coaches than anything else.

[red]

he's a sub 80% kicker. The good kickers in the NFL are +80% EVEN WITH the 50+ yard attempts. I hope he is the man but I dont think he is and he SHOULD have competition.

i believe up until last season when he developed the case of the wide rights from the right hash, he was one of if not the most accurate kickers in the league. and based on the fact that leaper just stated that he plays in horrible conditions, it makes what he did in the previous seasons that more amazing

that is why some of us still believe in him. he just didn't miss from inside 50 until the shanks came

[Tony Oday]

Under 80% EVERY year he kicked. Longwell, you remember him, was sub 80% 3 times...I think...one he was HORENDOUS at 60somthing %.

I hope Crosby is the man and is a stud this year and gains his traction.

I dont think he will

I will eat crow if he does

I still cannot believe there is no competition for his job. He is not that good as of yet.

[Patler]

he's a sub 80% kicker. The good kickers in the NFL are +80% EVEN WITH the 50+ yard attempts. I hope he is the man but I dont think he is and he SHOULD have competition.

And how many of those good kickers try 17% of their kicks from 50+ yards? Very few kickers make more than about 50% of those long kicks, and when you try as many as Crosby does, it hurts your overall percentage.

Take my example, if Crosby tried 50+ attempts at a rate anything close to what Longwell did early in his career, and if he made just 50% of them (as he has), he would be over the magical 80% that everyone is making such a big deal of.