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    Not sure what to make of this. If true, could be a major distraction for the Vikings heading into the season. Strong comments from the anonymous players. Chilly will be steamed if/when he reads this.



    Vikings coach loses cred in locker room
    By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports

    Even as Minnesota coach Brad Childress was getting what he desperately wanted, he couldn’t help but further undermine himself in the eyes of his players.

    On Tuesday, as Vikings guard Steve Hutchinson, defensive end Jared Allen and kicker Ryan Longwell were flying back and forth between Minnesota and Mississippi to bring quarterback Brett Favre back for another season, Childress tried to cover up a fact that was widely reported. Childress, who wasn’t scheduled to talk to media Tuesday, had special teams coach Brian Murphy and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell tell reporters that the three players were actually at the team facility rather than aboard a private jet.

    Murphy went so far as to say that Longwell was kicking inside the team’s indoor facility. “We were kicking inside,” Murphy said. When asked directly if Longwell was at practice, Murphy said: “He was here, he was around.”

    Bevell couldn’t quite go along with the charade, pushing the explanation on Childress.

    “I came out here and [Childress] told me he had the other guys inside,” Bevell said, referring to the three players. “They were in the building. I came out to practice, Coach said they were inside.”

    That little bit of misdirection didn’t get much attention, but it raised a lot of eyebrows inside the Vikings’ locker room.

    “Chilly can’t even tell the truth about that,” the player said. “I mean, how ridiculous is that? What’s the big deal that he has to lie? Worse, he has to tell other guys to lie for him?”

    In short, even as Minnesota’s best hope to win a Super Bowl this season was rejoining the team, Childress was losing more ground with his team in the battle for respect. One of the biggest issues playing out behind the scenes in Minnesota is that many players, particularly on offense, have no respect for Childress. Among those players is Favre, who officially returned to the team Wednesday. According to multiple team sources, Favre’s disdain for Childress is deep.

    “Brett thinks Childress has no clue about offense,” a Vikings player said.

    Childress’ presence, not Favre’s ankle injury, was one of the biggest reasons Favre was hesitating about playing again, sources said. In early July, Favre had indicated to one player that he was likely to play. However, after Childress visited Favre on July 19, Favre’s desire to return declined.

    “Brett just doesn’t trust him,” a player said.

    Both Childress and Favre declined to address the issue Wednesday, but the problems run deeper than events from last season. It goes beyond the incident in the Dec. 20 game against Carolina when Favre refused to come out of an eventual loss when Childress wanted to pull him. It’s beyond the Nov. 15 win against Detroit when Childress got angry with a play Favre changed in the second half.

    One of the biggest problems in this situation is that Childress is allowed to run free within the organization. Because owner Zygi Wilf and team president Mark Wilf both live in New York, Childress doesn’t have to answer to anyone on a day-to-day basis. In the power structure between Childress, vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman and vice president of football operations Rob Brzezinski, Childress has the final say. He has taken that final say to mean that he can basically act as he pleases.

    The heart of the conflict is Childress’ perceived lack of football savvy. Some players believe that most of the offensive coaching staff is made up of yes-men like Bevell. Furthermore, Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well.

    “He has his way of doing things and that’s it,” a player said.

    This season, Childress almost didn’t get Favre as a result.
    "My problems with him are his vision and tendency to dance instead of pounding a hole." - Harvey Wallbangers

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    More troublesome is the relationship between the Drama Queen QB and Childress, a head coach who had credibility issues in the locker room before Favre’s arrival and has been progressively disempowered ever since.

    Sources close to Favre say that the quarterback is not particularly admiring of Childress’ offensive acumen, especially as it relates to some of the noted strategists (Mike Holmgren, Jon Gruden, Andy Reid) for whom he has played in the past. Surely, this is not a secret in the Minnesota locker room, and you can bet that most Vikings would defer to Favre’s game-planning and play-calling sensibilities in a stare down between the quarterback and coach.

    Throw in the fact that Favre clearly has very little respect for Childress’ authority – a situation which, in fairness, was partially created by Wilf, Chilly’s boss – and we’ve got a cauldron ready to boil over.

    That’s what happened last December in Charlotte as the Vikings absorbed a 26-7 beating from the Carolina Panthers that dashed their hopes of earning home-field advantage in the NFC. When Childress tried to take Favre out of the game in the fourth quarter, the quarterback pushed back and, remarkably, got his way.
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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    • #3
      I love it. I love it. Brett is a dick and Chilly is a wet napkin.

      It would be a great injustice if this whole stupid thing doesn't blow up in their faces.

      Not to be sanctimonious, but MM developing Aaron Rodgers is the way that a pairing should happen in the NFL. Hopefully, their combined effort will reap big results. They deserve it.

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      • #4
        I hear ya, PP, but I am very wary of what Germans call "Schadenfreude". Karma can be a real bitch.

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        • #5
          Re: Chilly loses cred

          Originally posted by superfan
          Not sure what to make of this. If true, could be a major distraction for the Vikings heading into the season. Strong comments from the anonymous players. Chilly will be steamed if/when he reads this.

          So will Zygi.

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          • #6
            " Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well."

            Hey...that sounds like what they said about Shermy!

            And Brent ignoring/disdaining a coach? That sounds like . . . Brent!
            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

            KYPack

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Fritz
              " Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well."

              Hey...that sounds like what they said about Shermy!

              And Brent ignoring/disdaining a coach? That sounds like . . . Brent!
              Actually, this speaks more to how bad childress is as a coach than to issues with Favre. There were issues with favre and brad last year, that was clearly evident, and it doesn't surprise me to hear there were issues before favre ever showed up. He is a horrible head coach with no real offensive mind. IF he doesn't even completely understand his own playbook, how can the offensive players respect him at all? It's no wonder the offense took off with Favre at the helm, as it is a leader who actually knows and understands how the damn playbook works, and isn't afraid to audible to put the offense in better position. And of course, with the success he was having, how could chilly even challenge him?

              I don't think this is going to have much effect on this season - the offense, like last year, is what Favre wants it to be, and the defense should be alright. After this season, though, the vikings are truly screwed if they keep chilly. Players in the locker room already don't respect him, and they are claiming it's because he has no idea how to run a offense.

              I could of told you that 3 or 4 years ago.

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              • #8
                Favre apologist ^^^^^^^^ (talk about losing credibility)


                I didn't think Chily had any credibility left before this:

                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                • #9
                  These same types of stories came from unconnected sources last year at this time as well. And due to how the season turned out, I'd say were bs. So in my opinion, nothing to see here. It's creating something for the sake of making a story. The only players who have an issue with the Favre thing are the backup QBs and frankly tough shit.

                  And Chilly does not have the most power in that org. It's an even 3 way split.

                  It's funny how often people give Chilly crap even though his teams continue to improve every year. And it's not just from Pack fans, Vikes fans do it too.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mngolf19
                    These same types of stories came from unconnected sources last year at this time as well. And due to how the season turned out, I'd say were bs. So in my opinion, nothing to see here. It's creating something for the sake of making a story. The only players who have an issue with the Favre thing are the backup QBs and frankly tough shit.

                    And Chilly does not have the most power in that org. It's an even 3 way split.

                    It's funny how often people give Chilly crap even though his teams continue to improve every year. And it's not just from Pack fans, Vikes fans do it too.
                    We'll see. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Everything's fine as long as they win. They string a couple losses together and you might see the wheels fall off really fast.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mngolf19
                      These same types of stories came from unconnected sources last year at this time as well. And due to how the season turned out, I'd say were bs. So in my opinion, nothing to see here. It's creating something for the sake of making a story. The only players who have an issue with the Favre thing are the backup QBs and frankly tough shit.

                      And Chilly does not have the most power in that org. It's an even 3 way split.

                      It's funny how often people give Chilly crap even though his teams continue to improve every year. And it's not just from Pack fans, Vikes fans do it too.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mngolf19
                        These same types of stories came from unconnected sources last year at this time as well. And due to how the season turned out, I'd say were bs. So in my opinion, nothing to see here. It's creating something for the sake of making a story. The only players who have an issue with the Favre thing are the backup QBs and frankly tough shit.

                        And Chilly does not have the most power in that org. It's an even 3 way split.

                        It's funny how often people give Chilly crap even though his teams continue to improve every year. And it's not just from Pack fans, Vikes fans do it too.
                        Paul Allen disagrees. To an extent. He's worked with Jason Cole, and had nothing but good things to say about him. He said there's probably some truth to this, but it's somewhere in between nothing and something major. He said that Favre and Childress do have a bit of a strained relationship. He said Childress does have the final say in the decisions. He said there are some players that are probably not enamored with Childress. He said Childress is absolutely hard-headed. He disagreed with the point that the Wilf's aren't around. At least, during the regular season. He disagreed with Childress knowing nothing about offense.

                        Paul Allen is a Vikings homer and knows the organization pretty well.

                        I have no doubt that Favre isn't enamored with Childress. I have no doubt that Childress is hard-headed, has final say in the organization, and that he can be a bit shady. I'd give Childress credit for knowing more about offense. I think we'll know more about Childress after Favre is gone.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #13
                          Sometimes truth is funnier than fiction...


                          Following Harvin's episode...
                          Players gathered for a prayer and then went through 10 plays of 11-on-11 work, which Childress said was quarterback Brett Favre's idea. The vibe was quiet and the work was sloppy, including several dropped passes.
                          It appears even Childress acknowledges who's running the team.

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                          • #14
                            One thing is certain: If Favre keeps winning games for the Vikes like he did last year, there won't be anyone complaining except Viking haters.
                            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                            • #15
                              I find it hard to criticize Childress for being "hard headed". Lets face it, Parcells, Belichek, Holmgren, etc. were the same way. In the end a headcoach lives or dies by results, so he SHOULD do things his way.

                              I would rather my coach stick to his convictions than start ceding everything to outsiders/others.

                              My biggest gripe against favre was that he didn't realize who was in charge, and if Childress is being criticized for doing things his way that is BS....but then in the next sentence they criticize him for letting Favre decide what direction practice is going in. These two characterizations don't mix.
                              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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