Chilly loses cred

[Bossman641]

" Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well."

Hey...that sounds like what they said about Shermy!

And Brent ignoring/disdaining a coach? That sounds like . . . Brent!

Actually, this speaks more to how bad childress is as a coach than to issues with Favre. There were issues with favre and brad last year, that was clearly evident, and it doesn't surprise me to hear there were issues before favre ever showed up. He is a horrible head coach with no real offensive mind. IF he doesn't even completely understand his own playbook, how can the offensive players respect him at all? It's no wonder the offense took off with Favre at the helm, as it is a leader who actually knows and understands how the damn playbook works, and isn't afraid to audible to put the offense in better position. And of course, with the success he was having, how could chilly even challenge him?

I don't think this is going to have much effect on this season - the offense, like last year, is what Favre wants it to be, and the defense should be alright. After this season, though, the vikings are truly screwed if they keep chilly. Players in the locker room already don't respect him, and they are claiming it's because he has no idea how to run a offense.

I could of told you that 3 or 4 years ago.

Absolutely shocking coming from you. Of course it isn't Favre;s fault.

[get louder at lambeau]

Sometimes truth is funnier than fiction...

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Percy_Harvin_collapses_leaves_in_ambulance_after_migraine_episode

Following Harvin's episode...

Players gathered for a prayer and then went through 10 plays of 11-on-11 work, which Childress said was quarterback Brett Favre's idea. The vibe was quiet and the work was sloppy, including several dropped passes.

It appears even Childress acknowledges who's running the team.

Childress doesn't have to acknowledge it. Favre's teammates just have to do as he tells them.

[CaptainKickass]

I didn't think Chily had any credibility left before this:

I certainly never gave him any. And the Pack passed on him as head coach, so neither did they.

[Fritz]

The vibe was quiet and the work was sloppy.

Sounds like bad sex.

[mraynrand]

The vibe was quiet and the work was sloppy.

Sounds like bad sex.

What am I going to do with 50 subscriptions to Vibe?

[Tony Oday]

The vibe was quiet and the work was sloppy.

Sounds like bad sex.

What am I going to do with 50 subscriptions to Vibe?

nahg, nahg, nahgonnawork here anymore

[Pugger]

" Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well."

Hey...that sounds like what they said about Shermy!

And Brent ignoring/disdaining a coach? That sounds like . . . Brent!

Actually, this speaks more to how bad childress is as a coach than to issues with Favre. There were issues with favre and brad last year, that was clearly evident, and it doesn't surprise me to hear there were issues before favre ever showed up. He is a horrible head coach with no real offensive mind. IF he doesn't even completely understand his own playbook, how can the offensive players respect him at all? It's no wonder the offense took off with Favre at the helm, as it is a leader who actually knows and understands how the damn playbook works, and isn't afraid to audible to put the offense in better position. And of course, with the success he was having, how could chilly even challenge him?

I don't think this is going to have much effect on this season - the offense, like last year, is what Favre wants it to be, and the defense should be alright. After this season, though, the vikings are truly screwed if they keep chilly. Players in the locker room already don't respect him, and they are claiming it's because he has no idea how to run a offense.

I could of told you that 3 or 4 years ago.

Absolutely shocking coming from you. Of course it isn't Favre;s fault.

No kidding.

[packerbacker1234]

" Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well."

Hey...that sounds like what they said about Shermy!

And Brent ignoring/disdaining a coach? That sounds like . . . Brent!

Actually, this speaks more to how bad childress is as a coach than to issues with Favre. There were issues with favre and brad last year, that was clearly evident, and it doesn't surprise me to hear there were issues before favre ever showed up. He is a horrible head coach with no real offensive mind. IF he doesn't even completely understand his own playbook, how can the offensive players respect him at all? It's no wonder the offense took off with Favre at the helm, as it is a leader who actually knows and understands how the damn playbook works, and isn't afraid to audible to put the offense in better position. And of course, with the success he was having, how could chilly even challenge him?

I don't think this is going to have much effect on this season - the offense, like last year, is what Favre wants it to be, and the defense should be alright. After this season, though, the vikings are truly screwed if they keep chilly. Players in the locker room already don't respect him, and they are claiming it's because he has no idea how to run a offense.

I could of told you that 3 or 4 years ago.

Absolutely shocking coming from you. Of course it isn't Favre;s fault.

No kidding.

Read the article. Issues have been present before favre was even in the picture. It's pretty clear this isn't a new relevalation in the locker room. Even last year the QB's complained that he would never let them audible, which was a hinderence, and now favre gets to because it's favre.

This didn't sound like it was an issue coming because of the favre situation, what it sounded like is the favre situation is what brought it to the light of the public. Read the article, and you will notice how it sort of talks about this being a continual problem sicne childress arrived.

[superfan]

These same types of stories came from unconnected sources last year at this time as well. And due to how the season turned out, I'd say were bs. So in my opinion, nothing to see here. It's creating something for the sake of making a story. The only players who have an issue with the Favre thing are the backup QBs and frankly tough shit.

And Chilly does not have the most power in that org. It's an even 3 way split.

It's funny how often people give Chilly crap even though his teams continue to improve every year. And it's not just from Pack fans, Vikes fans do it too.

The article seems to have been written specifically to stir the pot and it's very possible that the author intentionally wrote it to make issues seem worse than they really are. But Favre does have a documented history of authority issues, so issues between him and Chilly aren't surprising and are likely true, at least to some extent.

Something clicked in Favre after he became a superstar, and he no longer seemed willing to accept coaching - Sherman, McCarthy, sideline issues with Childress last year, etc. He seems able to get along with those who treat him with kid gloves (i.e. Bevell) but doesn't take it well when somebody tells him to change something about the way he plays.

[retailguy]

Ah, all this shit is overblown. Caretaker Childress knows what his role is. He won't step out of bounds again. :P

[Lurker64]

I'm so glad that Zygi refused to allow Brad Childress to board that plane to Green Bay.

[MadScientist]

Sometimes truth is funnier than fiction...

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Percy_Harvin_collapses_leaves_in_ambulance_after_migraine_episode

Following Harvin's episode...

Players gathered for a prayer and then went through 10 plays of 11-on-11 work, which Childress said was quarterback Brett Favre's idea. The vibe was quiet and the work was sloppy, including several dropped passes.

It appears even Childress acknowledges who's running the team.

I'm not sure what you find funny about the whole episode. Harvin is going through some serious shit, which for his sake I hope gets the proper treatment soon. The episode naturally freaked out the whole team, and it sounds like Brett suggested continuing on with practice. It's possible Chilly could have done it, but he risks coming across as uncaring about a player if he pushes it too soon, Brett saying to continue worked to Chilly's advantage.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Something clicked in Favre after he became a superstar, and he no longer seemed willing to accept coaching - Sherman, McCarthy, sideline issues with Childress last year, etc. He seems able to get along with those who treat him with kid gloves (i.e. Bevell) but doesn't take it well when somebody tells him to change something about the way he plays.

His Dad died.

[Pugger]

" Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well."

Hey...that sounds like what they said about Shermy!

And Brent ignoring/disdaining a coach? That sounds like . . . Brent!

Actually, this speaks more to how bad childress is as a coach than to issues with Favre. There were issues with favre and brad last year, that was clearly evident, and it doesn't surprise me to hear there were issues before favre ever showed up. He is a horrible head coach with no real offensive mind. IF he doesn't even completely understand his own playbook, how can the offensive players respect him at all? It's no wonder the offense took off with Favre at the helm, as it is a leader who actually knows and understands how the damn playbook works, and isn't afraid to audible to put the offense in better position. And of course, with the success he was having, how could chilly even challenge him?

I don't think this is going to have much effect on this season - the offense, like last year, is what Favre wants it to be, and the defense should be alright. After this season, though, the vikings are truly screwed if they keep chilly. Players in the locker room already don't respect him, and they are claiming it's because he has no idea how to run a offense.

I could of told you that 3 or 4 years ago.

Absolutely shocking coming from you. Of course it isn't Favre;s fault.

No kidding.

Read the article. Issues have been present before favre was even in the picture. It's pretty clear this isn't a new relevalation in the locker room. Even last year the QB's complained that he would never let them audible, which was a hinderence, and now favre gets to because it's favre.

This didn't sound like it was an issue coming because of the favre situation, what it sounded like is the favre situation is what brought it to the light of the public. Read the article, and you will notice how it sort of talks about this being a continual problem sicne childress arrived.

We aren't talking about the article. Every time anyone says anything remotely negative about #4 you come running to his defense so you sound like an Favre apologist.

[PlantPage55]

Remember Mac's 6+ hour sit-in with Brett? He said: "I came out of that meeting believing that Brett was not in the right state of mind to quarterback the Packers."

That leads me to believe that:

a. Brett didn't want to go along with Mac's hard line. Coming to practice. Working even harder than the year before. Committing.

or

b. Brett thought he was bigger than the team and Mac thought it was beyond repair.