Concerns for 2010 (No Particular Order)

[Scott Campbell]

I sure did. Damn I was pissed.

[retailguy]

Ted hides behind secrecy at unnecessary times. I do not believe that communicating fairly with the media, even on occasion, would harm this team. Yet, it goes on and on and on.

I believe it speaks to his character. That's why I said what I said. Would be happy to be wrong, but I've been watching it for 4 years now and it doesn't change. I honestly think he enjoys saying nothing. The fact he does it for no reason (or very little reason) pisses me off.

For an otherwise rational guy, this is kinda crazy. He's in introvert. That's not a character flaw. I don't understand how you can watch a few clips of the guy and project Voldemort levels of evil onto the poor guy. Ted's making you kinda nutty. Just look at this thread.

An Introvert?

So, introverts purposely lie and mislead? :P

Yes, he's an introvert. Yes, his media personna will never be great. Plenty of introverts do just fine with the media and don't find it necessary to lie or mislead. They certainly don't smirk at them after they lie and mislead.

You're killing me Scott.

[retailguy]

I guess after we lost to TB last year not 1 of the supposed "ProPacker" supporter didn't call for TT and MM heads. I mean let's be honest here. There has been times of TT bashing on this board. Of course when you finish a season 7-1 it tends to make it harder to critize the product on the field.

I'm sure that somehow this is directed at me. I certainly don't remember calling for his head over this, but hey someone could prove me wrong I suppose.

Ending a season 7-1 does silence some folks. For others it raises the question of why can't this team start a season strong? That's a few year "trend" here in GB, and I don't think that anyone can put a finger on it as to "why".

At least I can't. And for clarity sake, the reasons for that probably do not rest with Ted. They rest with either the coach and coaches he hired or the players he chose to employ or both. Or neither, it could just be the fear of refrigerators falling from the sky aimed at Finley.

[cheesner]

Ted hides behind secrecy at unnecessary times. I do not believe that communicating fairly with the media, even on occasion, would harm this team. Yet, it goes on and on and on.

I believe it speaks to his character. That's why I said what I said. Would be happy to be wrong, but I've been watching it for 4 years now and it doesn't change. I honestly think he enjoys saying nothing. The fact he does it for no reason (or very little reason) pisses me off.

For an otherwise rational guy, this is kinda crazy. He's in introvert. That's not a character flaw. I don't understand how you can watch a few clips of the guy and project Voldemort levels of evil onto the poor guy. Ted's making you kinda nutty. Just look at this thread.

An Introvert?

So, introverts purposely lie and mislead? :P

Yes, he's an introvert. Yes, his media personna will never be great. Plenty of introverts do just fine with the media and don't find it necessary to lie or mislead. They certainly don't smirk at them after they lie and mislead.

You're killing me Scott.

Lie and mislead? Okay, I will bite. Please provide one example of a Lie from Ted Thompson. Mislead? Maybe, but then it is important to the job to hide your intentions in many issues from the other GMs in the NFL. (and no it won't work for TT to just email his intentions to just the Packer fans)

[RashanGary]

Ted is very obvious. He keeps saying the same things over and over again with a smirk. Everyone knows he's giving generic answers. That's very different from actually lying or actually misleading. He's basically just not saying anything.

[ThunderDan]

I guess after we lost to TB last year not 1 of the supposed "ProPacker" supporter didn't call for TT and MM heads. I mean let's be honest here. There has been times of TT bashing on this board. Of course when you finish a season 7-1 it tends to make it harder to critize the product on the field.

I'm sure that somehow this is directed at me. I certainly don't remember calling for his head over this, but hey someone could prove me wrong I suppose.

Ending a season 7-1 does silence some folks. For others it raises the question of why can't this team start a season strong? That's a few year "trend" here in GB, and I don't think that anyone can put a finger on it as to "why".

At least I can't. And for clarity sake, the reasons for that probably do not rest with Ted. They rest with either the coach and coaches he hired or the players he chose to employ or both. Or neither, it could just be the fear of refrigerators falling from the sky aimed at Finley.

It wasn't aimed at you. It wasn't aimed at anyone. It was a statement on how the people feel toward the management of a team based on what is happening at the moment.

[ThunderDan]

I guess after we lost to TB last year not 1 of the supposed "ProPacker" supporter didn't call for TT and MM heads. I mean let's be honest here. There has been times of TT bashing on this board. Of course when you finish a season 7-1 it tends to make it harder to critize the product on the field.

I consider myself ProPacker and I didn't call for anyone's head. I was too devastated.

I was on vacation in California and didn't get to see the game. I am so happy I missed it. I boarded the plane and the Packers were ahead or close at halftime and didn't hear anything about the game until after we landed.

[Tarlam!]

Ending a season 7-1 does silence some folks. For others it raises the question of why can't this team start a season strong? That's a few year "trend" here in GB, and I don't think that anyone can put a finger on it as to "why".

This is actually worth a threath of its own; I am no expert, only been into the game for 9 or so years. But in that time, I've seen 6-0 teams miss the playoffs. I think, and I've read, that latter 8 games is far more important to a ball club than the previous. I aint gonna dig up stats, but I truly believe, a strong finish is more valuable thatn a fast start.

[Bossman641]

Ted hides behind secrecy at unnecessary times. I do not believe that communicating fairly with the media, even on occasion, would harm this team. Yet, it goes on and on and on.

I believe it speaks to his character. That's why I said what I said. Would be happy to be wrong, but I've been watching it for 4 years now and it doesn't change. I honestly think he enjoys saying nothing. The fact he does it for no reason (or very little reason) pisses me off.

For an otherwise rational guy, this is kinda crazy. He's in introvert. That's not a character flaw. I don't understand how you can watch a few clips of the guy and project Voldemort levels of evil onto the poor guy. Ted's making you kinda nutty. Just look at this thread.

An Introvert?

So, introverts purposely lie and mislead? :P

Yes, he's an introvert. Yes, his media personna will never be great. Plenty of introverts do just fine with the media and don't find it necessary to lie or mislead. They certainly don't smirk at them after they lie and mislead.

You're killing me Scott.

Lie and mislead? Okay, I will bite. Please provide one example of a Lie from Ted Thompson. Mislead? Maybe, but then it is important to the job to hide your intentions in many issues from the other GMs in the NFL. (and no it won't work for TT to just email his intentions to just the Packer fans)

Seconded. I would like to see an example of TT lying to the media. Does he give them nothing? Yes. Does he speak in generalities and say nothing? Yes.

I'd say he is consistent.

[Tarlam!]

I'm getting really exhausted by this witch hunt...

[Bossman641]

I'm getting really exhausted by this witch hunt...

Witch hunt? It's not like anyone is twisting his words. It's also not like RG is backing down from his POV. I would just like an example so I get a better idea of where he is coming from.

[retailguy]

Ted hides behind secrecy at unnecessary times. I do not believe that communicating fairly with the media, even on occasion, would harm this team. Yet, it goes on and on and on.

I believe it speaks to his character. That's why I said what I said. Would be happy to be wrong, but I've been watching it for 4 years now and it doesn't change. I honestly think he enjoys saying nothing. The fact he does it for no reason (or very little reason) pisses me off.

For an otherwise rational guy, this is kinda crazy. He's in introvert. That's not a character flaw. I don't understand how you can watch a few clips of the guy and project Voldemort levels of evil onto the poor guy. Ted's making you kinda nutty. Just look at this thread.

An Introvert?

So, introverts purposely lie and mislead? :P

Yes, he's an introvert. Yes, his media personna will never be great. Plenty of introverts do just fine with the media and don't find it necessary to lie or mislead. They certainly don't smirk at them after they lie and mislead.

You're killing me Scott.

Lie and mislead? Okay, I will bite. Please provide one example of a Lie from Ted Thompson. Mislead? Maybe, but then it is important to the job to hide your intentions in many issues from the other GMs in the NFL. (and no it won't work for TT to just email his intentions to just the Packer fans)

Seconded. I would like to see an example of TT lying to the media. Does he give them nothing? Yes. Does he speak in generalities and say nothing? Yes.

I'd say he is consistent.

I tired of the "prove it" game a long time ago. Ted's foibles with the media are well documented. Whether either of you agree with my term "lie" or your terms "saying nothing" or "mislead", I don't particularly care.

The overall point was not so much that it was a lie (although I believe that), it was the lack of necessity to "lie", "mislead" or "say nothing". I don't believe that the team gains any competitive advantage from it, I recognize that you may believe that however. I also notice that frequently when he does it, he smiles sarcastically.

Justin thinks he is direct. I think he is purposefully indirect, and therefore misleading. A purposefully miseleading statement is a lie.

So, that's my POV and I'm sticking to it. He doesn't give interviews frequently, but you could probably pull up almost any interview you'd like and see examples of what I'm talking about.

[retailguy]

I'm getting really exhausted by this witch hunt...

Witch hunt? It's not like anyone is twisting his words. It's also not like RG is backing down from his POV. I would just like an example so I get a better idea of where he is coming from.

I don't think either cheesner or Bossman are on a witch hunt. However, there have been ample personal attacks in this thread. It is clear which posters are engaging in those attacks, and in spite of their insistence to the contrary I believe it shows. If anyone cares or not may be a different issue altogether.

I understand the "want" for me to support the statement, and I believe I have, and have been very clear why I have the POV that I do. I'm not interested in getting into the technical difference between "lie" "mislead" and "say nothing", much less the respective merits or issues with them once you've decided on your "technically correct terminology".

At the end of the day, I don't like it, and don't respect it, and you folks may side with Justin. Makes no difference to me either way.

[RashanGary]

Come on, RG. Back off the cliff. There are no sides here. You came here with an agenda to prove a point. You did it a backhanded way. We sniffed it out. Many people danced around your attempt to pigeon hole us, sensing there was an alterior motive. There was. Now you're calling Ted a liar.

Come on, man. This isn't some big drama with good guys and bad guys. This is a conversation about the Packers GM, that's it.

I don't care if anyone is on my side or yours for that matter.

[retailguy]

Come on, RG. Back off the cliff. There are no sides here. You came here with an agenda to prove a point. You did it a backhanded way. We sniffed it out. Many people danced around your attempt to pigeon hole us, sensing there was an alterior motive. There was. Now you're calling Ted a liar.

Come on, man. This isn't some big drama with good guys and bad guys. This is a conversation about the Packers GM, that's it.

I don't care if anyone is on my side or yours for that matter.

You're still on the conspiracy kick? For heavens sake give it up. I don't know how to be more clear than I am.

My conversation wasn't about the Packers GM, it was about the 2010 Packers season and my expectations. 99% of my words in this thread relate to that.