Why does TT keep this team on the BRINK of being great?

[Patler]

How about a KR/PR? Is that really too much to ask? Really?

Quite often, return men sort of come from no where, so to speak. I'm sure he was hoping for Blackmon to return, or for Shields or someone like that to show potential. Maybe there is someone out there who he could have brought in, but I can't think of one. Over the years, he actually has drafted a number of players who were thought to have potential as return men, but it hasn't worked out. There aren't many proven return men who become available.

Face it, when Blackmon WAS available, he was pretty darn good on punt returns, even if not so much on kickoffs. So TT had found one, he just didn't hold up physically.

[Patler]

Well thanks for making me look bad Patler. Seriously, though I didn't realize he had made all those moves post cut down. I stand corrected.

Well, you are very welcome!

I really don't mean to make anyone look bad, I just like to have the facts out there. It seems TT evokes a lot of impressions by others about him that aren't always accurate. He will forever "covet" his draft picks, no matter how many times he now trades up. He will forever disdain veteran players, no matter how many old veterans he continues to re-sign on his current roster.

I'm just trying to do my part to make sure our disagreements are based on accurate understandings of the facts, and not on factual misconceptions!

[gbpackfan]

How about a KR/PR? Is that really too much to ask? Really?

Quite often, return men sort of come from no where, so to speak. I'm sure he was hoping for Blackmon to return, or for Shields or someone like that to show potential. Maybe there is someone out there who he could have brought in, but I can't think of one. Over the years, he actually has drafted a number of players who were thought to have potential as return men, but it hasn't worked out. There aren't many proven return men who become available.

Face it, when Blackmon WAS available, he was pretty darn good on punt returns, even if not so much on kickoffs. So TT had found one, he just didn't hold up physically.

I agree 100% about Blackmon. But the flaw in your arguement is that Blackmon's knee has been a problem all preseason. TT has had over a month to prepare for Blackmon being out. It was fairly obvious actually. But Im willing to move on. We'll see what happens moving foward. But it's really, really hard to believe the Packer's brass when they say they are serious about improving special teams play. Their actions tell me otherwise.

[Patler]

I agree 100% about Blackmon. But the flaw in your arguement is that Blackmon's knee has been a problem all preseason. TT has had over a month to prepare for Blackmon being out. It was fairly obvious actually. But Im willing to move on. We'll see what happens moving foward. But it's really, really hard to believe the Packer's brass when they say they are serious about improving special teams play. Their actions tell me otherwise.

The problem is, when camp starts close to 2600 players are not available because they are already contractually committed. There isn't much to pick from at that time. There might be some available now, and we could see the Packers do something in the next week or two. Historically, they have tweaked their roster a bit the first few weeks (just ask Aaron Rouse! )

I'm actually more concerned with the other ST spots than I am the guy carrying the ball. I don't think blocking has been good on the return teams, nor the coverage teams on the kicking and punt teams. TT has actually brought in guys that are supposed to be good special teamers, yet nothing comes of it.

[RashanGary]

When your complaint is that your team is on the brink of greatness, consistently, you might have a pretty good GM.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I've always thought that TT has done a great job of continuously reloading the team. He uses his picks to take a chance to land on a special player. Most of the draft is a crapshoot anyway, so if you hit one just a couple really good ones or one great one, and a couple of role players it's been a good year. As far as Blackmon goes, I have a really hard time remembering seeing him on the field. Had he gotten healthy, he would have been interesting to watch. But seriously, what is 5-10 more yards on the return with the offense that we have? I am ok with Jordy fulfilling the role provided he doesn't put it on the ground. I was a bit disappointed that we let some players go and got nothing in return. It would have been nice to see TT scoop up some new blood just to see what was there. With the Packers picking at the bottom of each round, there just had to be players picked higher that could have been brought in to help at LB or CB. Truth is, TT didn't see anything he liked better than what we already had, so lets get the season going!

[Smidgeon]

I've always thought that TT has done a great job of continuously reloading the team. He uses his picks to take a chance to land on a special player. Most of the draft is a crapshoot anyway, so if you hit one just a couple really good ones or one great one, and a couple of role players it's been a good year. As far as Blackmon goes, I have a really hard time remembering seeing him on the field. Had he gotten healthy, he would have been interesting to watch. But seriously, what is 5-10 more yards on the return with the offense that we have? I am ok with Jordy fulfilling the role provided he doesn't put it on the ground. I was a bit disappointed that we let some players go and got nothing in return. It would have been nice to see TT scoop up some new blood just to see what was there. With the Packers picking at the bottom of each round, there just had to be players picked higher that could have been brought in to help at LB or CB. Truth is, TT didn't see anything he liked better than what we already had, so lets get the season going!

+1

[cheesner]

How about a KR/PR? Is that really too much to ask? Really?

Quite often, return men sort of come from no where, so to speak. I'm sure he was hoping for Blackmon to return, or for Shields or someone like that to show potential. Maybe there is someone out there who he could have brought in, but I can't think of one. Over the years, he actually has drafted a number of players who were thought to have potential as return men, but it hasn't worked out. There aren't many proven return men who become available.

Face it, when Blackmon WAS available, he was pretty darn good on punt returns, even if not so much on kickoffs. So TT had found one, he just didn't hold up physically.

I agree 100% about Blackmon. But the flaw in your arguement is that Blackmon's knee has been a problem all preseason. TT has had over a month to prepare for Blackmon being out. It was fairly obvious actually. But Im willing to move on. We'll see what happens moving foward. But it's really, really hard to believe the Packer's brass when they say they are serious about improving special teams play. Their actions tell me otherwise.

Couple questions for you:

I am just curious why you think TT would be only interested in being mediocre? What is the logic there?

Are there any teams that have GMs that want to win the SB? Don't tell me Indy, NO, Vikes, Cowboys, Ravens, etc because using your logic they all have bigger questions than the Packers and therefore have also accepted mediocrity.

What is this green and gold glasses comment? Have you seen any power rankings or 2010 predictions by mainstream press? The 2 I looked at today had the Packers 1st and 3rd. One had the Pack winning the SB.

Believe it or not, the Packers have a great team and we have TT to thank for that. As difficult as it may seem, you are going to have to admit TT is a great GM at some point soon.

[channtheman]

How about a KR/PR? Is that really too much to ask? Really?

Quite often, return men sort of come from no where, so to speak. I'm sure he was hoping for Blackmon to return, or for Shields or someone like that to show potential. Maybe there is someone out there who he could have brought in, but I can't think of one. Over the years, he actually has drafted a number of players who were thought to have potential as return men, but it hasn't worked out. There aren't many proven return men who become available.

Face it, when Blackmon WAS available, he was pretty darn good on punt returns, even if not so much on kickoffs. So TT had found one, he just didn't hold up physically.

I agree 100% about Blackmon. But the flaw in your arguement is that Blackmon's knee has been a problem all preseason. TT has had over a month to prepare for Blackmon being out. It was fairly obvious actually. But Im willing to move on. We'll see what happens moving foward. But it's really, really hard to believe the Packer's brass when they say they are serious about improving special teams play. Their actions tell me otherwise.

Couple questions for you:

I am just curious why you think TT would be only interested in being mediocre? What is the logic there?

Are there any teams that have GMs that want to win the SB? Don't tell me Indy, NO, Vikes, Cowboys, Ravens, etc because using your logic they all have bigger questions than the Packers and therefore have also accepted mediocrity.

What is this green and gold glasses comment? Have you seen any power rankings or 2010 predictions by mainstream press? The 2 I looked at today had the Packers 1st and 3rd. One had the Pack winning the SB.

Believe it or not, the Packers have a great team and we have TT to thank for that. As difficult as it may seem, you are going to have to admit TT is a great GM at some point soon.

A Super Bowl win this year would be a great way to get everyone on the same page with that.

[cheesner]

As difficult as it may seem, you are going to have to admit TT is a great GM at some point soon.

A Super Bowl win this year would be a great way to get everyone on the same page with that.

Once the Packers win the Superbowl it should be so obvious, my sister will be able to figure it out.

I actually don't think that will do it. The sentiment will be, well they won despite TT being a GM who didn't want to have a great team. Or, 'despite TT being inept, he got lucky when player XXX stepped forward.' Or, even more likely, the anti TT crowd will re-register with a new name or just go to a different message board rather than admit they were wrong all along.

[get louder at lambeau]

Or, even more likely, the anti TT crowd will re-register with a new name or just go to a different message board rather than admit they were wrong all along.

This is what usually happens, in my experience.

[Patler]

As difficult as it may seem, you are going to have to admit TT is a great GM at some point soon.

A Super Bowl win this year would be a great way to get everyone on the same page with that.

Once the Packers win the Superbowl it should be so obvious, my sister will be able to figure it out.

I actually don't think that will do it. The sentiment will be, well they won despite TT being a GM who didn't want to have a great team. Or, 'despite TT being inept, he got lucky when player XXX stepped forward.' Or, even more likely, the anti TT crowd will re-register with a new name or just go to a different message board rather than admit they were wrong all along.

We have already seen a bit of that from some who refuse to give TT any credit for drafting Rodgers, because Rodgers just "fell into his lap".

I don't know if the guy is great or not, but he sure rebuilt the team without a lot of agony. Sure it has had its ups and downs, but it was a very thorough transformation.

[cheesner]

Or, even more likely, the anti TT crowd will re-register with a new name or just go to a different message board rather than admit they were wrong all along.

This is what usually happens, in my experience.

Come on, be honest, what was your original username? Tank?

[get louder at lambeau]

Or, even more likely, the anti TT crowd will re-register with a new name or just go to a different message board rather than admit they were wrong all along.

This is what usually happens, in my experience.

Come on, be honest, what was your original username? Tank?

retailguy.

[Fritz]

As difficult as it may seem, you are going to have to admit TT is a great GM at some point soon.

A Super Bowl win this year would be a great way to get everyone on the same page with that.

Once the Packers win the Superbowl it should be so obvious, my sister will be able to figure it out.

I actually don't think that will do it. The sentiment will be, well they won despite TT being a GM who didn't want to have a great team. Or, 'despite TT being inept, he got lucky when player XXX stepped forward.' Or, even more likely, the anti TT crowd will re-register with a new name or just go to a different message board rather than admit they were wrong all along.

We have already seen a bit of that from some who refuse to give TT any credit for drafting Rodgers, because Rodgers just "fell into his lap".

I don't know if the guy is great or not, but he sure rebuilt the team without a lot of agony. Sure it has had its ups and downs, but it was a very thorough transformation.

Whenever I get Patlerized, I just think, "Ah, he got lucky. That information just fell into his lap."