Thompson's Boners

[bobblehead]

The Harrell pick was a bit indulgent. He thought he would reach for auy and then later look like a genius. The Hawk pick was not a big mistake. He is a solid citizen and solid player, which brings intangibles to the team at a time when leadership was needed.

In retrospect, Harrell was a bid pick, but I cringe when I see things like this. I doubt the thought ever crossed his mind. Besides, it's not like he took somebody that was supposed to go in round 4. Harrell was a consensus late first round pick--with some having him go in the teens (including Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News--who is about as good as it gets when it comes to forecasting the draft).

Well, I am a TT supporter from the very beginning and remain. But I was shocked by that pick and where it happened. Most did NOT have him ranked that high.

No one had Clay Mathews ranked where TT did either.

[bobblehead]

Most all-pro corners are first-rounders. It's the least "diamond in the rough" likely position.

I'm not arguing but is this really known?

Totally cool to argue. I remember reading an SI article/column that looked at All-Pro designations over a number of years in relation to the round they were drafted. Corners had the lowest average draft round. I remember it was like all firsts, except for one undrafted.

Now, I'm totally up for believing that all-pro/Pro Bowl is as much hype as production, and that once you get a rep, you keep it long after your stats drop off, but it was a surprising read.

I do totally disagree with the poster who said that GMs have more hits than misses. I think it all depends on the ownership, but there's no position in professional football that's a safe refuge for repeated failure (unless your bosses are the Fords). I guess it depends on how you grade success as a GM -- W-L record, successful signings, trades that look like a "win".

a corner is only as good as the guys getting to the QB.

[Joemailman]

The Harrell pick was a bit indulgent. He thought he would reach for auy and then later look like a genius. The Hawk pick was not a big mistake. He is a solid citizen and solid player, which brings intangibles to the team at a time when leadership was needed.

In retrospect, Harrell was a bid pick, but I cringe when I see things like this. I doubt the thought ever crossed his mind. Besides, it's not like he took somebody that was supposed to go in round 4. Harrell was a consensus late first round pick--with some having him go in the teens (including Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News--who is about as good as it gets when it comes to forecasting the draft).

Well, I am a TT supporter from the very beginning and remain. But I was shocked by that pick and where it happened. Most did NOT have him ranked that high.

No one had Clay Mathews ranked where TT did either.

I think Belichick did. I think BB would have taken him if TT hadn't been willing to part with the picks he did.

[SlimPickens]

magnitude of bust-ation - Shouldn't this be some kind of official stat?

[Pugger]

I don't know how some of you contend that other GMs had certain players high on their boards. Unless you are in the war room this is all conjecture. Harrell had ability but he couldn't stay healthy. That poor kid was snake-bitten for sure. Brohm was a nice college QB who found the pro-game moved too fast for him. Pat Lee is an enigma. I had hoped he would have come around a little by now. Jackson is a nice 3rd down back and is pretty decent at picking up blitzes. He isn't all-world but at least he's contributing. If these are TT's worst boners I can live with that seeing he's had more hits than misses.

[Bretsky]

I don't know how some of you contend that other GMs had certain players high on their boards. Unless you are in the war room this is all conjecture. Harrell had ability but he couldn't stay healthy. That poor kid was snake-bitten for sure. Brohm was a nice college QB who found the pro-game moved too fast for him. Pat Lee is an enigma. I had hoped he would have come around a little by now. Jackson is a nice 3rd down back and is pretty decent at picking up blitzes. He isn't all-world but at least he's contributing. If these are TT's worst boners I can live with that seeing he's had more hits than misses.

A lot of GM's get interviewed and admit things after the draft. For instance, to defend where Harrell was drafted, the guys at Denver noted there were three guys they really liked in the 10-20 range and they intended to trade up to get one of those three for sure. One was thought to be Carraeker, one Harrell, and the last was Jarvis Moss. Once GB plucked Harrell they traded up about seven spots or so with Jacksonville and drafted Jarvis Moss. I think they gave us a 2nd to get there

[Lurker64]

The Harrell pick was a bit indulgent. He thought he would reach for auy and then later look like a genius. The Hawk pick was not a big mistake. He is a solid citizen and solid player, which brings intangibles to the team at a time when leadership was needed.

In retrospect, Harrell was a bid pick, but I cringe when I see things like this. I doubt the thought ever crossed his mind. Besides, it's not like he took somebody that was supposed to go in round 4. Harrell was a consensus late first round pick--with some having him go in the teens (including Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News--who is about as good as it gets when it comes to forecasting the draft).

Well, I am a TT supporter from the very beginning and remain. But I was shocked by that pick and where it happened. Most did NOT have him ranked that high.

No one had Clay Mathews ranked where TT did either.

I think Belichick did. I think BB would have taken him if TT hadn't been willing to part with the picks he did.

If Belichick has Matthews rated as high as TT did, there's no way they would have traded out of that spot unless Thompson put together a truly ridiculous offer (including future firsts). Thompson had Matthews so high that he seriously considered him at #9 overall, and would have taken him there above all but a couple of players). The Patriots, on the other hand, traded from 23 to 26 and only netted a fifth, and subsequently traded out of the first round entirely. If Belichick had Matthews as high as Thompson, the Patriots would have taken him at #23 or at least the Ravens would have had to give up more to go up to get Oher.

[bobblehead]

Ok, I've got a TT "mess up".

Back when we drafted hawk, I wanted to trade down and draft Antonio Cromartie who had been hurt his senior year, but was an atheletic freak (and a freak in the sack based on his 9? kids). This year when I heard the former first round pick was available I wanted him again. The Jets gave up a 3rd for a guy who will always be a starting caliber CB at the very least and on his good years near pro bowl.

I can't believe TT let him get away twice (ok, I have wood for Cromartie and it affects my judgement)

[vince]

Not really a TT boner, but it doesn't really warrant it's own thread and it relates to TT...

The Bills cut Jamon Meredith today.

I remember how highly the Bills spoke of him and how some used him to criticize TT and the coaching staff...

I guess he got that evaluation right...

He's probably bound for Seattle.