Packers Land RB AVG 4.8 Yards Per Carry

[denverYooper]

On that last drive, let's not give all the praise to Kuhn. The OL finally had some good run blocking and frankly Kuhn had some good sized holes to run through. On 2 of those runs he wasn't even hit until he was 4-5 yds downfield.

So.... are you fellas suggesting the O-line doesn't block as hard for a faster running back - like Jackson? Or was it coincidence that the line suddenly blocked better at the end of the game against a very fresh defense? Or are you full of poop?

They also seemed to run a different set of plays for Kuhn, I assume to play to his strengths. But it could very well be he simply ran better. The center of that line blocks well going straight forward. Colledge and Sitton looked great. Even Clifton got a key block on the run to the offense's left.

Korey Hall had a nice block also, on the game-icing run.

[Fritz]

McCarthy started the game with some running plays, and I thought they went well. Then he seemed to get away from the run - until the end of the game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

On that last drive, let's not give all the praise to Kuhn. The OL finally had some good run blocking and frankly Kuhn had some good sized holes to run through. On 2 of those runs he wasn't even hit until he was 4-5 yds downfield.

So.... are you fellas suggesting the O-line doesn't block as hard for a faster running back - like Jackson? Or was it coincidence that the line suddenly blocked better at the end of the game against a very fresh defense? Or are you full of poop?

As of 10 minutes ago I am no longer full of poop. There were 2 girls who wanted it in a cup.

I am suggesting that the OL actually did a very good job of run blocking at a time when the Lions knew they were going to run. I only wish they would run block like that all game long.

[retailguy]

Imagine we had a guy who was actually fast.

The line does ok at times, I see some decent holes out there -- imagine a real fucking gamebreaker out there.

Man, this team could be ridiculous. We aren't right now.

I disagree. The Packers are completely ridiculous right now.

Go back and read some of Justin Harrell's posts from a month ago. It'll cheer you up, and it's better than kool-aid.

I don't know who these guys are that played in the game yesterday, but THEY ARE NOT Justin Harrell's Packers. This I know. :P

[NewsBruin]

Honestly, I'm not enamored with many of the "available" running backs. Starting experience doesn't mean a whole lot to me if a guy can't stay healthy or distinguish himself from the pack (Maroney, Maroney, Maroney).

With their short shelf life, running backs end up costing you for the miles earned on someone else's payroll. For someone who's had a starting role, they're usually overvalued. For someone really worth the trade, they're just too expensive. I would not want to give a 1-3 round pick for someone with less than 3 seasons' worth of current-level production left.

From what's been reported, TT has been stoned on at least two backs (Marshawn Lynch and Denver's Andre Brown). He's signed someone who was reported as one of the best practice backs and has another available in week 7. I'm not happy with Kuhn as our Option 1, but for 2 more weeks, it's okay. I don't think TT's not trying on that position.

I think there were some things Ted's sat too pat on (d-backs, o-backs, O-line coaching), but I think it's under the premise of not blowing up one part of the team to salvage another. Well, other than O-line coaching, which is a huge part of the running game.

That's McCarthy's hire.

I hear that on the board, but ultimately, it's Ted's oversight. I hope he's not willing to wait until our players' development gets better all by itself. Maybe it starts with a "What's going on with the line, Mike?", and if he doesn't get improvement, it escalates to "It's either him, or it's you and him. Your choice."

Besides, the official NFL fall-on-your-sword flowchart is:
Position coach --> Co-ordinator --> Head Coach --> GM

No GM wants it to get to his level in the flowchart, and Ted probably doesn't want it to get to McCarthy's level. But ultimately, Ted has to answer to the president and shareholders why his corporation is not performing in all departments.

[NewsBruin]

So.... are you fellas suggesting the O-line doesn't block as hard for a faster running back - like Jackson? Or was it coincidence that the line suddenly blocked better at the end of the game against a very fresh defense? Or are you full of poop?

You know, it's really weird, but I swear I've seen Jets block better for LT than they do Shonn Greene (purely based on the size of the holes). I wonder if the Pack line get more psyched for some smash-mouth running play than they do a bounce-it-around play.

I also wonder why we can't do power-gaps and zone-blocking at the same time. We've got good personnel for both styles. Why does it have to be one or the other, or is that just what is assumed on the boards and in the press?

[woodbuck27]

Kuhn reminds me of Mike Alstott. He's a beast to bring down, and perfect for short yardage situations. 10 carries a game for Kuhn would be perfect.

He actually reminds me a bit of John Riggins, but I'm dating myself. He has deceptive speed and a little shake to him. I said it in the preseason, but I'll repeat it. If you didn't know Kuhn is a converted FB and Toby Gerhart was a second round pick, you'd say Kuhn looks a lot better than Gerhart. That might not be saying much, but I don't think he's too bad. That being said, I'm definitely up for getting a better RB in here--but mainly because Jackson has disappointed.

John Riggins. That's an optimistic comparison Harvey.

How much little 'of a little bit' of John Riggins does John Kuhn remind you of Harvey? John Riggins was a hell of a RB. If we could reincarnate and TT would sign him, as he was ... wouldn't you assess that our RB problems would be behind us.

We wouldn"t even need John Kuhn.

With all respect Harv Im not getting the comparison.

[woodbuck27]

So.... are you fellas suggesting the O-line doesn't block as hard for a faster running back - like Jackson? Or was it coincidence that the line suddenly blocked better at the end of the game against a very fresh defense? Or are you full of poop?

You know, it's really weird, but I swear I've seen Jets block better for LT than they do Shonn Greene (purely based on the size of the holes). I wonder if the Pack line get more psyched for some smash-mouth running play than they do a bounce-it-around play.

I also wonder why we can't do power-gaps and zone-blocking at the same time. We've got good personnel for both styles. Why does it have to be one or the other, or is that just what is assumed on the boards and in the press?

You make or bring up a valid point sir. it's the same as in the NHL. A team will perform better defensively when they are inspired by the clutch play of a goalie that can certainly back up a defensive lapse and make the huge saves!

Hypothesis:

If an NFL OL believes in the break away ability of a certain running back, then, won't that inspire that OL to dig in and do a better job of stopping the oppositions 'D' or get the job done of opening even a small hole for their RB to plunge through?

I believe that is a valid scenario. Not every RB can be a Barry Sanders and make his own holes and discover wide open space. No RB can ever hope to get there if he dances in place and waits too long to even squeeze through a small hole or be aggressive looking for those 5-6 yard runs that spell money in terms of owning the clock.

That's what the running game is about and that taking the pressure off the offenses passing game and keep the oppositions 'D' thinking, and thus exposing more options for our WCO.

GO PACK GO !

[SkinBasket]

On that last drive, let's not give all the praise to Kuhn. The OL finally had some good run blocking and frankly Kuhn had some good sized holes to run through. On 2 of those runs he wasn't even hit until he was 4-5 yds downfield.

So.... are you fellas suggesting the O-line doesn't block as hard for a faster running back - like Jackson? Or was it coincidence that the line suddenly blocked better at the end of the game against a very fresh defense? Or are you full of poop?

As of 10 minutes ago I am no longer full of poop. There were 2 girls who wanted it in a cup.

I am suggesting that the OL actually did a very good job of run blocking at a time when the Lions knew they were going to run. I only wish they would run block like that all game long.

So you don't feel that Kuhn might possibly be better at recognizing and hitting a hole than Jackson? That despite the limitations inherent to his race, he might possibly be better at gaining more yards per carry than his more athletic counterpart in Jackson?

It was simply an elderly offensive line that stepped up and blocked a thoroughly rested Detroit defense?

[SkinBasket]

I use my knowledge of a game I've played and watched since I was a kid. I guess some of you only watch Packer games which there is nothing wrong with but I'm a huge college and NFL fan. I'm not a college or NFL scout by any means but I do believe I have a pretty decent eye for talent. Kuhn has not shown me anything special except for effort and that can only go so far in the NFL when you don't have the talent to go along with it.

In other words in three games Hillis has put up Kuhn's career numbers. Now that might be a bit unfair since Kuhn has mainly played FB in his career but it is what it is. Hillis is faster, has much better hands, and has more moves you want from a running back. I told you to check him out on youtube because you obviously have never seen this guy play. You think just because Kuhn averages .3 yards a carry less then him that his is just as good? States don't tell the whole sorry buddy, thats why I told you go to check out some game film on him. If stats told the whole sorry then I guess Tony Romo is just as good as Aaron Rodgers since they put up simliar stats.

And yet, I recognized Hillis' potential a week before anyone else, because I looked at his statistics - his production, and realized, before I even knew he was white, that he would be an excellent fantasy back - because he gains yards.

You, meanwhile, can't even be bothered to set your roster for the week - despite your expert knowledge of the game.



As partial used to say: "game, set, match, m$#$erf@cker!"

[Bossman641]

I use my knowledge of a game I've played and watched since I was a kid. I guess some of you only watch Packer games which there is nothing wrong with but I'm a huge college and NFL fan. I'm not a college or NFL scout by any means but I do believe I have a pretty decent eye for talent. Kuhn has not shown me anything special except for effort and that can only go so far in the NFL when you don't have the talent to go along with it.

In other words in three games Hillis has put up Kuhn's career numbers. Now that might be a bit unfair since Kuhn has mainly played FB in his career but it is what it is. Hillis is faster, has much better hands, and has more moves you want from a running back. I told you to check him out on youtube because you obviously have never seen this guy play. You think just because Kuhn averages .3 yards a carry less then him that his is just as good? States don't tell the whole sorry buddy, thats why I told you go to check out some game film on him. If stats told the whole sorry then I guess Tony Romo is just as good as Aaron Rodgers since they put up simliar stats.

And yet, I recognized Hillis' potential a week before anyone else, because I looked at his statistics - his production, and realized, before I even knew he was white, that he would be an excellent fantasy back - because he gains yards.

You, meanwhile, can't even be bothered to set your roster for the week - despite your expert knowledge of the game.



As partial used to say: "game, set, match, m$#$erf@cker!"

To further quote Partial, does Kuuuuuuuuuhn have "it?"

I miss Partial

[Brandon494]

So exactly what has happen with the next Riggins?

[Scott Campbell]

So exactly what has happen with the next Riggins?

How bout the dummy that called him the next Christian Okoye?