Moss to the Vikings?

[MOBB DEEP]

This does look like a no brainer trade from their perspective.

BINGO!

actually WHO CARES about 2 years from now??? i might be in heaven

WIN NOW!!!!

[superfan]

Holy tunderin' be jaysus bye.

One of the best standalone sentences on this, or any, board. Ever.

Woody, I think I finally see where you are coming from.

See ... when the Vikings play the Packers, and given my dedication or loyalty to my HERO Brett Favre; and that weighed against my explicit dedication and or loyalty to THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. It comes up as a draw in terms of who I want to win.

I enjoy the game or match. I have no preferenc as to which team wins so as a fan I always win. So wanting either the Packers or Vikings to win isn't relevant to the way I enjoy the game.

In simple terms. I don't really give a damn who wins the matchup. I just want to see which team is best.

At this point in your "fan career", you've come to appreciate the game as a whole. From a rooting perspective you tend to prefer the Packers, and beyond the Packers certain players, in particular Brett Favre. This perspective allows you to watch individual games from a relatively detached perspective. Like an appreciation of fine art or a fine wine. Sort of. And I respect that. This is obvious from your enjoyment of the Rats Pick'Em league, which is more focused on the league as a whole, not just the Packers.

However, the vast majority of those of us on this board and other boards are die hard Packer fans. To say I could care less about the Vikings would be an understatement. I root for them to lose, unless they absolutely stink and are playing an opponent that could affect Packer playoff positioning, or if they stink and I want them to win a few games to keep them from firing a coach that I want them to keep and/or hurt their draft position (looking at you, Denny Green and Brad Childress).

No offense intended to our resident Viking fan Rats who are not trolls and who we appreciate on this site.

Woody, based on your posts, I would say you are first and foremost an NFL fan. Then it seems to be a tie between a fan of individual players and the Green Bay Packers. Since this is a Packer fan board and you are in the minority, you will continue to be savaged for your views. Unfortunate perhaps, yet inevitable.

[imscott72]

I have no idea why the Pats would do this. This is bad news for us though..

It'd be worse news if he went to the Bears.

Ahh Scott. Your mistaken. That move by 'the Vikings' was simply put.

Brialliant ! Now we get to enjoy in Minnesota what TT tossed away for Packer Nation. Well (maybe) you'd be excluded from that 'enjoy' part?

Who gets 'the last laugh' Scott? You or I?

Why would you laugh if the Vikings do well and the Packers falter? I don't get it.

As to your original post you have a coach/GM who has won the Super Bowl multiple times in the last decade and you have a coach/GM who have never won anything, who's fooling who here? Trust me, if BB didn't think he was getting the better end of this trade RM would still be in NE.

See ... when the Vikings play the Packers, and given my dedication or loyalty to my HERO Brett Favre; and that weighed against my explicit dedication and or loyalty to THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. It comes up as a draw in terms of who I want to win.

I enjoy the game or match. I have no preferenc as to which team wins so as a fan I always win. So wanting either the Packers or Vikings to win isn't relevant to the way I enjoy the game.

In simple terms. I don't really give a damn who wins the matchup. I just want to see which team is best.

Hey if the Pakers win I win. If Favre and 'the Vikings win, I win.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Holy tunderin' be jaysus bye.

One of the best standalone sentences on this, or any, board. Ever.

Woody, I think I finally see where you are coming from.

See ... when the Vikings play the Packers, and given my dedication or loyalty to my HERO Brett Favre; and that weighed against my explicit dedication and or loyalty to THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. It comes up as a draw in terms of who I want to win.

I enjoy the game or match. I have no preferenc as to which team wins so as a fan I always win. So wanting either the Packers or Vikings to win isn't relevant to the way I enjoy the game.

In simple terms. I don't really give a damn who wins the matchup. I just want to see which team is best.

At this point in your "fan career", you've come to appreciate the game as a whole. From a rooting perspective you tend to prefer the Packers, and beyond the Packers certain players, in particular Brett Favre. This perspective allows you to watch individual games from a relatively detached perspective. Like an appreciation of fine art or a fine wine. Sort of. And I respect that. This is obvious from your enjoyment of the Rats Pick'Em league, which is more focused on the league as a whole, not just the Packers.

However, the vast majority of those of us on this board and other boards are die hard Packer fans. To say I could care less about the Vikings would be an understatement. I root for them to lose, unless they absolutely stink and are playing an opponent that could affect Packer playoff positioning, or if they stink and I want them to win a few games to keep them from firing a coach that I want them to keep and/or hurt their draft position (looking at you, Denny Green and Brad Childress).

No offense intended to our resident Viking fan Rats who are not trolls and who we appreciate on this site.

Woody, based on your posts, I would say you are first and foremost an NFL fan. Then it seems to be a tie between a fan of individual players and the Green Bay Packers. Since this is a Packer fan board and you are in the minority, you will continue to be savaged for your views. Unfortunate perhaps, yet inevitable.

Remind me not to have you analyze me the next time you're over.

[digitaldean]

Oh man, after reading all the "expert" drivel crowning the Viqueens NFC champs with this trade, I can't wait to see this season blow up in the Queens' faces.

We have our own problems to overcome. Mainly injuries galore, lack of a TRUE running game and some "not-so" special teams play.

Getting Moss will make this division a lot tougher, obviously.

But keep in mind that the Vikes O-line hasn't done Favre or Peterson any favors. Peterson got 160+ yards vs. Detroit despite having defenders in his face before he even clears the line of scrimmage. If they continue to block like they have over the first 3 games, Favre will be beaten senseless and no WR in the world would help that team win.

[swede]

Holy tunderin' be jaysus bye.

One of the best standalone sentences on this, or any, board. Ever.

[MOBB DEEP]

That is true but they wont NEED Rice when they have Moss he would just be a bonus. Moss deep, Shianco middle of the field, Harvin like a pinball and AP running like a truck with a VERY good defense...crown em.

Favre will have to be much better that he has been in the first three games. Their O-line hasn't been anything special either.

I'm not saying that adding Moss would not be a huge get for the Vikings and it would make me extremely nervous but like most of the teams in the NFL this year the Vikings have more than one concern. Adding Moss doesn't guarantee anything.

Adding Randy Moss gurantees nothing IMO, but alot!

A BIG STORY deserves a BIG Post !

Having # 84 back in a Viking jersey is huge for that team and it's fans.

Gurantees ??

It gurantees that Brett Favre finally gets his desire met. FAVRE hooking up with a tremendously talented WR again! We did not want that. TT didn't want that in the scenario as it now exists. Funny how this story may come back to haunt TT forever?

A Gurantee?

It gurantees that Favre and the Vikings have arguably the best WR in the NFL. PackerTimer ! With the Vikings getting Randy Moss. That will gurantee two results, for sure.

a) A ' smile ' on Brett Favre's mug.

b) Then, ' a bigger smile ', on Brett Favre's mug.

Randy Moss is ' a lights out ' terrific WR. An extremely talented/gifted WR. If your missing 'that fact', the last three seasons ( anyone ) , your in need of some sort of adjustment. I suggest boxer shorts. If Randy Moss gets on the exact same page as Favre? Then look the hell out. The word that comes to mind is 'explosive'. The words . . . 'explosive combination'.

Brett Favre passing to Randy Moss ! Routes. Slants inside, down the middle and pulling up to come back to the ball and leaping catch's and hooking routes, and down the hash marks and long catch and running routes and deep !!! Touchdown! ...... Alot!

A brand new start for Randy Moss gets a real break on ' the Vikings ' team. A real good change is as good as any wonderful rest.

Brad Childress is no Bill Belichick in terms of ' laying on the wood ' as Belichick can; or sticking it to anyone that steps out of line or gets the least bit disruptive. That result too often in NE was ' in the Bill Belichick doghouse '.

How pleased is one of, ' our an almost ' absentee poster Rastak !? Rastak was in for a visit about ten days ago. Rastak has got to be so very happy to learn of this news?

Why?It's huge news! Impacting news !!

Do any Packerrats, realistically looking at this news, like it? If it doesn't concern you? Weigh in with all the present adversity. How well or high, is your balloon flying today?

This news isn't good for us! I might say that it ... SUCKS !!

Viking fans love it!

They now forsee some relief. Learning that Randy Moss is returning to ' his NFL roots'. It's unbelievable, as I see it's potential in terms of potential positive impact for that teams results. Especially the way that Brett Favre can utilize a receiver with the talent and pizzazz of Randy Moss. That 'the Vikings' managed to pull this blockbuster move off is very impresive.

I had them, very possibly out of it by November. Now at least they 'likely' manage to hang in there and get to an easier schedule, after surviving these next four weeks. If they come out of that portion of the schedule at 3W-4L? They're still good.

Something else I'm impressed with. Is this team has the power and motivation to 'at least try' to make a real move that's calculated to make a real difference.

Our teams GM, Ted Thompson !

I look for him to make a rather significant move very soon or his ass should be grass. Alot of Packer Nation eyes will be on TT now. The pressure is on Ted! This man is like a glacier. Slow ! Really ... really... slow ! Slow to get ' it ' done. Sometimes I wonder. Does TT really know what 'it' is?

Green Bay Packer fans. All of us ! Should desire a lot more than just making the playoff rounds anf bowing out. WE need to want or desire 'a Super Bowl Championship '. The same way Brett Favre always has. The way 'the Vikings Owner' and AP and Randy Moss and the rest of the Vikings will demonstrate that they do want and will pay 'the price for that want.

Do we have to wait nearly another 3 decades? Even ' the great Ted Thompson ' can have only so much rope. He's not supposed to tie himself up with it.

Three decades and maybe a longer wait !? Even Ted Thompson and/or Mike Murphy won't be around that long.

Randy Moss back in a Vikings jersey. It appears like a winning move to me, I also know how apppearances can turn out. In reality it's ' a wait and see '. Randy Moss ' can only be ' one, very big piece of the balance and whole that it takes.

Maybe, some really sick or rapid fan will take matters in hand and go all ape shit on Randy Moss and / or Brett Favre. I can't see Favre or Moss getting a great reception come Monday night in New York. (JETS)

There's also huge games coming up ' with us ', and ' the Pats ' for the Vikings ' on the road '. Not that that's any significant factor as we've witnessed the NFL game results this season to date.

Who's going to win a game. Maybe? Just flip a coin. Analysis has been extremely challenging. Any team can blow any game at home or play over their head on the road and win. I base that on a personal observation and results to date, Results that are challenging me moreso, then in the past in the Pro Pick'em.

Back to Randy Moss. Viking fans love it !

Other thoughts:

With the state of 'the Vikings' receiving corps and their #1 TE Shiancoe and Favre's only real threat on ' the limp ' and questionable for week five as I saw it two days ago. Besides that. An ON and a ' on and off ' Percy Harvin. V. Shiancoe is or was on ' the limp ' and possibly out for the MNF game Vs the Jets. Given that adversity or take that away.

The Vikings couldn't have made a more inspiring move for Brett Favre.

I can almost imagine reading 'the hate posts' now from those here, that havn't a clue about ' the karma ' factor. We don't need anymore bad luck Packerrats.

OK. So the Vikings got the star WR they needed so badly and ' all that ' right at this time of their need and adversity and their most challenging difficulty of schedule coming up over these next four weeks to boot.

Bill Belichick ??

Bill Belichick gave up a sweet gift to ' the team ' we need to overcome to win the NFCN. and 'only for a third'? When has he been so gratuitious? I don't get that.

Ohh! Is it this?

Maybe Belichick's trying to impress ' the NFL Commissioner ' as the ratings will be through the roof come this Monday night when ' the Jets ' host Brett Favre and Randy Moss (finally together) and ' the horse' Adrian Petersen and 'killer' Allen and ' the Big and Bad Williams Boys' and ...and ...and ! and ' the sleeping so far this season ', Minnesota Vikings. We were aware that for weeks Randy Moss was unhappy in his limited use in the Pat's offensive scheme.

Did any of you imagine that Brett Favre would get ' his wish list card ' fully punched?

The Vikings havn't looked all that great in terms of their offensive line and that fact may prevail. That result, sit Brett Favre on his ass more than he likes to prevent him setting up any decent play flow.

Looking at Randy Moss in Minnesota from just the factor he will add positively, to slow down the tide against the Vikings, Just, isn't a good thing for us. That move by Bill Belichick sucks for the Green Bay Packers BIG TIME.

This is a major coup for the Minnesota Vikings and should inspire both Randy Moss and Brett Favre. Neither one of those fellas needs inspiring. That combination plus all the other Viking tools should give them a realistic ' wish and a prayer chance ' to survive the next four weeks of their schedule. Moss's acquisition by the Vikings could mean bad news for all but the very best opposition 'D's.

Damn that Favre if he can't find a way.

He'll play another year now, if he doesn't get to and win the Super Bowl this season. Give any good man enough chances and the law of averages prevails. Brett Favre is a good man inspite of what many here at Packerrats judge differently.

Geee! Favre and certainly now. With ' his man ' Moss in the fold means a solid chance for another season of him wearing the ' Purple and Gold '.
That trade may cause Peyton Manning to shrug a wee bit. He may be thinking. Will Favre ever retire?

My next thought. Will Randy Moss be on the receiving end of Favre's 500th TD pass? Favre's next TD pass will be his 500th.

Yup ! Brett and Randy sharing supper.

How did that get 'to reality' Packerrats?

GO ' Ted Thompson ' ... GO!!

DO ... SOMETHING PLEASE !!

DO SOMETHING 'REALLY POSITIVE' for 'OUR TEAM's'... 'REAL CHANCES'.

good post

[MichiganPackerFan]

Anyway it's not a big deal, just pointing out your girlfriend-like dramatics. :P

Will take note. I will try to act like more of a man when I post next time.

Ok - this is FUNNY!!!

[hoosier]

Who cares about Randy Moss when the frickin' wheels are falling off the Packers' bus? Grant, Burnett, Barnett, Chillar, Collins...where will it end and what will we look like when we get there?

[woodbuck27]

Re: Deal is official

lol shut the hell up......Okay they don't love each other, but I don't see what is over the top in saying they are good friends and will destroy the league. I got in this same agreement about Moss three years ago and I still believe Moss is top talent. Moss and Favre will destroy the league and they are good friends.

Are you sure? I thought the story back then was that they didn't really even know each other, but had a mutual interest in playing together. I could be "misremembering" that, however.

Couldn't have been too strong on Moss' part, because he nixed the deal when GB insisted on a two year contract and NE was OK with 1 year.

I mean they didn't sign a friends contract or something like that so its not something set in stone. I don't think they have to go get a drink after a game to be considered friends. I think you are way off with them “not really knowing each other in 2007.” But reading articles through the years and watching their interaction after games and how they talk about each other in the media you get the impression that they are friends.

Way Moss refused Green bays offer in 2007 is really another discussion. Favre clams the packers treated him like crap and gave him demands and thats why he didn't come. No one probably will ever really know what went down with 100% certainty. A lot of factors go into trading a player to another team than just simply being friends with the Qb of the other team. If you are claming that a strong friendship would have overcame all other factors like his contract demands for example than I just don’t buy that.

I readily acknowledged that I might be remembering the story wrong about Favre and Moss. But, competitors exchange pleasantries after contests all the time, without really knowing each other or being friends. I think of friends as people who have contact away from forced contacts at work, etc. Those I consider acquaintances.

I was going by Brandt's description of what happened in the negotiations and why Moss didn't end up in GB. I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/09000d5d806f8d4f/article/moss-willing-to-listen-to-offers-favre-nearing-decision-on-future

The above LINK takes you to an article written by Adam Schefter and dated: Mar. 01,2008.

It's interesting what possibility Re: the places of employment for Randy Moss and Brett Favre concerning any desire to work together, is forcast in this article and 'the fact' yesterday, that it came to be 'a reality'. Was that simply happenstance or inspired by some uncanny destiny?

I don't know yet, for sure. I do sense that Brett Favre had something to do with ' the Vikings ' bringing in Randy Moss.

Even if that possibility was inspired by the TRUTH or RUMORS we've read concerning their mutual respect and appreciation for their exceptional and mutual skills, that potentially could be combined. To make a positive difference for any teams offense, so fortunate to have them together.

Anyone that knows the NFL and has followed it closely for even the past two decades certainly recognizes the talents of Brett Favre and Randy Moss. These are two very gifted football players. Both will be HOFers. Both are seriously competitive and want first. To win and win BIG. To win a Super Bowl. That is what really matters. The Championship and dedication and focus daily. To that ideal, by any NFL teams total organizational objective.

Both Favre and Moss know what that takes fr. a team standpoint and only wish to do the best they can to fill a needed role. They are now together and it remains to be seen just how mediocre or dominant that combination can be. The potential for dominance certainly still exists inspite of any age factors mentioned as a negative by some here.

This is Brett Favre AND Randy Moss on the same offense.

This is Brett Favre and Randy Moss we are discussing. They can concentrate on extending one anothers careers as a main focus and in turn benefit the Minnesota Vikings. That will have to be a results oriented focus. One defined by one word.

Winning.

How happy they both must be to be finally on the same team. Favre and the Vikings roster and management and ownership should be thinking. Thanks Bill Belichick for being so fair in allowing Favre and Moss to happen. That potential for 'only' a third round pick. As a result, not disturbing the Minnesota Viking roster and it's chemistry, that will jell or not.

Team chemistry and decent health and hard work with properly skilled and mutually motivated team players is all that is necessaey to have a potentially potent and a Championship team.

The support for that has to run throughout the whole organization from owner to management to coaches to the roster players on offense, defense and ST's. All that and all the way to the equipment managers to the water boy. It's al about believing and getting it done.

Quotes ** that support anyone that senses that Moss and Favre have some special respect and admiration for one another follow and come fr. this article:

Date: Mar. 01, 2008

** " Two days into the free-agent signing period, the New England Patriots have yet to re-sign wide receiver Randy Moss and the Green Bay Packers still have not heard from quarterback Brett Favre regarding his decision about whether to return or retire.

Now, the two storylines could connect the way Moss and Favre have hoped to in past offseasons."

This next quote alludes (at least) to the fact that if our teams GM Ted Thompson was on the ball? That he wanted Favre back in 2008 as (again)MM maintained was 'the Green Bay Packers ' position. That TT had a second opportunity to go out and get Randy Moss and that move would most likely have kept or secured Brett Favre for that 2008 season; and as MM maintained was the Packers best choice and desire.

MM clearly stated that Aaron Rodgers would be held out one more season and as the first choice 'the Packers' still desired Brett Favre as their starting QB. Why not !? Favre was Mr. Everyting but Super Bowl bound in the 2007 season. Favre had an awesome year in 2007 and thus 'the Green Bay Packers' did as well. We're also aware that Favre had thr support of teammates to return for another season (2008). Favre was voted MVP by his teammates for that 2007 seasons body of work.

If you'll re-call. Favre led us to a 13-3 record in 2007! Favre was Fed Ex Offensive MVP of the 2007 NFL Season. Favre made history as being named Man of the Year by Sports Illustrated Magazine and for the first time that publication saw 'three releases'. Copies were scooped up as fast as they hit the news stands. Favre's popularity may have been at an All Time high. Favre decided to retire and un-retire. He wanted to return to the team he loved. The Green Bay Packers. He was 'in effect' refused that wish. He was in a matter of words told that the Packer Organization had moved forward in terms related to the starting QB. Aaron Rodgers would be our starting QB. Favre would be the back-up.

In effect, the Green Bay Packers, having to know Favre fully well in terms related to the season he experienced in 2007 would not, could not accept a back-up role, as the QB he was and remains today. Being a Minneesota Viking starting QB.

That message from MM to Brett Favre was the final signal that he should retire. He still knew he could and needed to be an NFL starting QB. The thanks he got for his 17 years of dedicated service, was a slap in the face trade to the other conference, for a lowly *4th round pick. ( * conditional ? ). How did Favre fall so low in the Packer Organizations terms related to it's immediate future given the sensational season he had in 2007?

Those facts cannot be refuted Packer fans. Smack down on it as you please. Piss all over Brett Favre acomplishments and piss all over yourselves in so doing as I can 'only' shake my head at the behaviours of some of you in here that are so unrealistic or deluded in how Favre was treated by 'the Green Bay Packer' Organization as the whole mess went down.

I can 'only' hang my head in shame, as a very dedicated and long term Green Bay Packer fan. That whole issue will go down in Packer history as a very dark, to at least, a very unfortunate mess due to both sides not getting their shit together at certain times between the end of 2007 and the day Favre clearly offered (again) his skills for the 2008 season.

Again and soon we will be able to compare the skills of Favre Vs Aaron Rodgers and let the best man win. No matter what team defeats the other I will win.

The history we all witnessed between the end of that 2007 season and the day Favre became a New York JET will bug me till I die. It sucked! It will always ...SUCK.

How long will we pay the price as Packer fans for that unfortunate mess. We payed for it last season as Favre torched OUR side and the Vikings defeated us in both games and claimed the NFCN. Only time and Favre's dedication and fortunate or not means towords winning it all will be the determining factor in the suffering over Favre now in a Vikings jersey.

We all here will suffer or not differently.

I do not want to upset a sole here or infer that what TT has in place today isn't of Championship potential. I don't want to deflate any Packer fans balloon, that flys high and proclaims Championship now. I like our team. Do I love it or see it winning the Super Bowl? Certainly not. I'm too realistic. TT hasn't fitted all the pieces together, and TT won't ever get there as good a job as he's done. It takes alot more. He and MM must be on the same wavelength or page. TT has to provide ample talent to MM. Just do whatever it takes to get it done. Get 'really' busy. Fill the gaps.

Re: Ted Thompson.

I don't believe he has it right. Not that - just yet. If he ever gets focused and 'only right and every day ' totally focused, his total agenda. To win a Super Bowl. I'll be very surprized. I certainly believe from my observations of TT that to get right there. TT must change.

His problem lies somewhere in this bit of our history:

With a certain due dilegence and respect, for Favre's dedication to what he believed it takes to win a Championship, that respect, returned to Brett Favre, on behalf of our GM. With a sincere effort on behalf of Ted Thompson. We could be the team that benefited from the skills of Brett Favre and Randy Moss working out of Lambeau Field.

We could have had what I sense ' the Vikings ' are putting into place at this very time. Some call it STAR POWER. I call it the chemistry that evolves from being consistent and dedicated to what it takes to be ' a WINNER'.

Here's 'the quote:

** " Favre openly campaigned for the Packers to sign Moss last offseason. When they didn't, he spoke out against the organization. ....

With Favre nearing a decision on his future –- some believe he will inform Green Bay of his plans as early as this week -– the Packers could make the decision for him. If they signed Moss now, those who know Favre believe it would be a dead-lock cinch for the Packers quarterback to play another season. "

Now all we have left (as this Packer fan see's it) is ** the dark karma effect of TT and MM deciding to toss Brett Favre's loyal 17 year service to the organization we all love and support as GREEN BAY PACKER fans. Packer fans!?

Where can ** that go?

All we have left is hope that Ted Thompson and MM and our teams coaching staff can utilize with the best of their ability what Ted Thompson provides.

Inspite of any disappointment I feel over how this mess has gone. With me it will always remain this and the same:

GO PACK GO!

[Scott Campbell]

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Deal is official

This is Brett Favre and Randy Moss we are discussing. They can concentrate on extending one anothers careers as a main focus and in turn benefit the Minnesota Vikings. That will have to be a results oriented focus. One defined by one word.

Winning.

I think the word you were looking for is "Crocs".

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/10/07/2010-10-07_website_claims_it_will_expose_favre.html

And yesterday was such a good day for you.

[mraynrand]

Re: Deal is official

lol shut the hell up......Okay they don't love each other, but I don't see what is over the top in saying they are good friends and will destroy the league. I got in this same agreement about Moss three years ago and I still believe Moss is top talent. Moss and Favre will destroy the league and they are good friends.

Are you sure? I thought the story back then was that they didn't really even know each other, but had a mutual interest in playing together. I could be "misremembering" that, however.

Couldn't have been too strong on Moss' part, because he nixed the deal when GB insisted on a two year contract and NE was OK with 1 year.

I mean they didn't sign a friends contract or something like that so its not something set in stone. I don't think they have to go get a drink after a game to be considered friends. I think you are way off with them “not really knowing each other in 2007.” But reading articles through the years and watching their interaction after games and how they talk about each other in the media you get the impression that they are friends.

Way Moss refused Green bays offer in 2007 is really another discussion. Favre clams the packers treated him like crap and gave him demands and thats why he didn't come. No one probably will ever really know what went down with 100% certainty. A lot of factors go into trading a player to another team than just simply being friends with the Qb of the other team. If you are claming that a strong friendship would have overcame all other factors like his contract demands for example than I just don’t buy that.

I readily acknowledged that I might be remembering the story wrong about Favre and Moss. But, competitors exchange pleasantries after contests all the time, without really knowing each other or being friends. I think of friends as people who have contact away from forced contacts at work, etc. Those I consider acquaintances.

I was going by Brandt's description of what happened in the negotiations and why Moss didn't end up in GB. I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/09000d5d806f8d4f/article/moss-willing-to-listen-to-offers-favre-nearing-decision-on-future

The above LINK takes you to an article written by Adam Schefter and dated: Mar. 01,2008.

It's interesting what possibility Re: the places of employment for Randy Moss and Brett Favre concerning any desire to work together, is forcast in this article and 'the fact' yesterday, that it came to be 'a reality'. Was that simply happenstance or inspired by some uncanny destiny?

I don't know yet, for sure. I do sense that Brett Favre had something to do with ' the Vikings ' bringing in Randy Moss.

Even if that possibility was inspired by the TRUTH or RUMORS we've read concerning their mutual respect and appreciation for their exceptional and mutual skills, that potentially could be combined. To make a positive difference for any teams offense, so fortunate to have them together.

Anyone that knows the NFL and has followed it closely for even the past two decades certainly recognizes the talents of Brett Favre and Randy Moss. These are two very gifted football players. Both will be HOFers. Both are seriously competitive and want first. To win and win BIG. To win a Super Bowl. That is what really matters. The Championship and dedication and focus daily. To that ideal, by any NFL teams total organizational objective.

Both Favre and Moss know what that takes fr. a team standpoint and only wish to do the best they can to fill a needed role. They are now together and it remains to be seen just how mediocre or dominant that combination can be. The potential for dominance certainly still exists inspite of any age factors mentioned as a negative by some here.

This is Brett Favre AND Randy Moss on the same offense.

This is Brett Favre and Randy Moss we are discussing. They can concentrate on extending one anothers careers as a main focus and in turn benefit the Minnesota Vikings. That will have to be a results oriented focus. One defined by one word.

Winning.

How happy they both must be to be finally on the same team. Favre and the Vikings roster and management and ownership should be thinking. Thanks Bill Belichick for being so fair in allowing Favre and Moss to happen. That potential for 'only' a third round pick. As a result, not disturbing the Minnesota Viking roster and it's chemistry, that will jell or not.

Team chemistry and decent health and hard work with properly skilled and mutually motivated team players is all that is necessaey to have a potentially potent and a Championship team.

The support for that has to run throughout the whole organization from owner to management to coaches to the roster players on offense, defense and ST's. All that and all the way to the equipment managers to the water boy. It's al about believing and getting it done.

Quotes ** that support anyone that senses that Moss and Favre have some special respect and admiration for one another follow and come fr. this article:

Date: Mar. 01, 2008

** " Two days into the free-agent signing period, the New England Patriots have yet to re-sign wide receiver Randy Moss and the Green Bay Packers still have not heard from quarterback Brett Favre regarding his decision about whether to return or retire.

Now, the two storylines could connect the way Moss and Favre have hoped to in past offseasons."

This next quote alludes (at least) to the fact that if our teams GM Ted Thompson was on the ball? That he wanted Favre back in 2008 as (again)MM maintained was 'the Green Bay Packers ' position. That TT had a second opportunity to go out and get Randy Moss and that move would most likely have kept or secured Brett Favre for that 2008 season; and as MM maintained was the Packers best choice and desire.

MM clearly stated that Aaron Rodgers would be held out one more season and as the first choice 'the Packers' still desired Brett Favre as their starting QB. Why not !? Favre was Mr. Everyting but Super Bowl bound in the 2007 season. Favre had an awesome year in 2007 and thus 'the Green Bay Packers' did as well. We're also aware that Favre had thr support of teammates to return for another season (2008). Favre was voted MVP by his teammates for that 2007 seasons body of work.

If you'll re-call. Favre led us to a 13-3 record in 2007! Favre was Fed Ex Offensive MVP of the 2007 NFL Season. Favre made history as being named Man of the Year by Sports Illustrated Magazine and for the first time that publication saw 'three releases'. Copies were scooped up as fast as they hit the news stands. Favre's popularity may have been at an All Time high. Favre decided to retire and un-retire. He wanted to return to the team he loved. The Green Bay Packers. He was 'in effect' refused that wish. He was in a matter of words told that the Packer Organization had moved forward in terms related to the starting QB. Aaron Rodgers would be our starting QB. Favre would be the back-up.

In effect, the Green Bay Packers, having to know Favre fully well in terms related to the season he experienced in 2007 would not, could not accept a back-up role, as the QB he was and remains today. Being a Minneesota Viking starting QB.

That message from MM to Brett Favre was the final signal that he should retire. He still knew he could and needed to be an NFL starting QB. The thanks he got for his 17 years of dedicated service, was a slap in the face trade to the other conference, for a lowly *4th round pick. ( * conditional ? ). How did Favre fall so low in the Packer Organizations terms related to it's immediate future given the sensational season he had in 2007?

Those facts cannot be refuted Packer fans. Smack down on it as you please. Piss all over Brett Favre acomplishments and piss all over yourselves in so doing as I can 'only' shake my head at the behaviours of some of you in here that are so unrealistic or deluded in how Favre was treated by 'the Green Bay Packer' Organization as the whole mess went down.

I can 'only' hang my head in shame, as a very dedicated and long term Green Bay Packer fan. That whole issue will go down in Packer history as a very dark, to at least, a very unfortunate mess due to both sides not getting their shit together at certain times between the end of 2007 and the day Favre clearly offered (again) his skills for the 2008 season.

Again and soon we will be able to compare the skills of Favre Vs Aaron Rodgers and let the best man win. No matter what team defeats the other I will win.

The history we all witnessed between the end of that 2007 season and the day Favre became a New York JET will bug me till I die. It sucked! It will always ...SUCK.

How long will we pay the price as Packer fans for that unfortunate mess. We payed for it last season as Favre torched OUR side and the Vikings defeated us in both games and claimed the NFCN. Only time and Favre's dedication and fortunate or not means towords winning it all will be the determining factor in the suffering over Favre now in a Vikings jersey.

We all here will suffer or not differently.

I do not want to upset a sole here or infer that what TT has in place today isn't of Championship potential. I don't want to deflate any Packer fans balloon, that flys high and proclaims Championship now. I like our team. Do I love it or see it winning the Super Bowl? Certainly not. I'm too realistic. TT hasn't fitted all the pieces together, and TT won't ever get there as good a job as he's done. It takes alot more. He and MM must be on the same wavelength or page. TT has to provide ample talent to MM. Just do whatever it takes to get it done. Get 'really' busy. Fill the gaps.

Re: Ted Thompson.

I don't believe he has it right. Not that - just yet. If he ever gets focused and 'only right and every day ' totally focused, his total agenda. To win a Super Bowl. I'll be very surprized. I certainly believe from my observations of TT that to get right there. TT must change.

His problem lies somewhere in this bit of our history:

With a certain due dilegence and respect, for Favre's dedication to what he believed it takes to win a Championship, that respect, returned to Brett Favre, on behalf of our GM. With a sincere effort on behalf of Ted Thompson. We could be the team that benefited from the skills of Brett Favre and Randy Moss working out of Lambeau Field.

We could have had what I sense ' the Vikings ' are putting into place at this very time. Some call it STAR POWER. I call it the chemistry that evolves from being consistent and dedicated to what it takes to be ' a WINNER'.

Here's 'the quote:

** " Favre openly campaigned for the Packers to sign Moss last offseason. When they didn't, he spoke out against the organization. ....

With Favre nearing a decision on his future –- some believe he will inform Green Bay of his plans as early as this week -– the Packers could make the decision for him. If they signed Moss now, those who know Favre believe it would be a dead-lock cinch for the Packers quarterback to play another season. "

Now all we have left (as this Packer fan see's it) is ** the dark karma effect of TT and MM deciding to toss Brett Favre's loyal 17 year service to the organization we all love and support as GREEN BAY PACKER fans. Packer fans!?

Where can ** that go?

All we have left is hope that Ted Thompson and MM and our teams coaching staff can utilize with the best of their ability what Ted Thompson provides.

Inspite of any disappointment I feel over how this mess has gone. With me it will always remain this and the same:

GO PACK GO!

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Too much ruminating....

[mraynrand]

Re: Deal is official

I doubt that Favre knows the details of the negotiation.

Same goes for you and me. That is why I said the Moss trade not going through doesn’t necessarily mean that they are not friends. I guess you are right in that I can't possibility know if they are friends or not b/c we don't know much about their personal lives. Just as you can't really clam they are not friends either.

It doesn't matter anyways b/c it has come to my attention that my original post was more like an over the top girlfriend lol.

So now I agree that they don't love each other and they may or may not be friends, but I still think they will destroy the league.

It's going to be some fun for Vikings fans to watch. Lights out take em' down HARD offense. Favre to Moss = Many TOUCHDOWNS over the next two or three seasons.

Lots of wins for Favre and MOSS!! A match made in NFL football heaven. Finally ... as an NFL fan. I get to enjoy that with such intense pleasure.

The Packers Vs Vikings stuff. I leave that up to TT and MM to handle. That's beyond my realm of deepest understanding.

I swear you're a closet Viking fan..

Minus the closet.

belly laugh funny

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Both Favre and Moss know what that takes fr. a team standpoint and only wish to do the best they can to fill a needed role. They are now together and it remains to be seen just how mediocre or dominant that combination can be. The potential for dominance certainly still exists inspite of any age factors mentioned as a negative by some here.

Woodbuck, Randy Moss' entire history is an exercise in getting paid, not looking to win. The fit in Minnesota to get to Oakland with a new contract. The preference to have a one year contract to enable him to get a shot at FA again taking him to New England rather than join Favre in Green Bay. And now the hissy fits he threw in New England, starting in Week 1, because they refused to talk about another large contract with him.

Moss may not be a cancer, but he can be disruptive and selfish. It was a bold move but NFL football is not fantasy football. Those personalities need to fit together in a team and within an offensive concept. Maybe he and Favre will be on the same page as Chilly, but it could just as easily be a bad fit.